I posted a while back that I had issues keeping the iphone 5 charged. I have since found my iPad 2 charger and use it on occasion for faster charges. I had planned to record charging times when I posted last but like everyone else it just never really happened. My % is at 5 and I'm about to charge it from 1% to full with the iPad charger with my new iphone 5 my wife got with the provided iphone charger.
I have to mention that since I've been using the iPad charger my phone dies so fast. I can't go half a day unless I have wifi off.. Lte off brightness on low etc without it dropping to below 10/20%. Its horribad. At 2% now.. About to plug in ... Will take photos !!
Would it not make more sense an Apple guru gives us a clear answer to support their products? Apple silence is already not a good sign...!
ARE YOU BLIND? Apple has stated it quite definitively in both their store product description and a Knowledge Base article, both of which have already been posted to the thread multiple times.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4060 (See the table at the bottom).
(My apologies to anyone visually impaired)
Well I charged my wife's phone beside mine last night . Both brightness off and on airplane mode on.. Hers with the provided charger and mine with our iPad 2 charger. Both were at 1% and mine with the iPad charger hit 100% and the wife's phone was at 62% . Proof enough for me. And yes my battery does die really fast but not sure if I plan to do a use age comparison. All I can say is I can't go 5-6 hrs away from a charging cable so I have 4. One at work. One in each car and one at home beside the bed. I took photos of both phones charging and photos every 15 mins to show the time and charge % maybe ill turn it into a video for youtube
Too many variables. The battery condition of both phones may be different, the installed apps different, the state of those apps different, the background processes in different states. And BTW, putting the phone in Airplane mode does not guarantee that nothing is using power; quite the opposite. If there were background apps attempting to update when you switched on Airplane mode the phone will actually use more power in Airplane mode as those apps attempt to complete their update and fail than it would if the connection was permitted to complete.
The only meaningful test would be the same phone charged multiple times with each charger. And even then you would have to assure that exactly the same apps were installed in exactly the same logic state. Or Restore the phone as New and don't install anything before running the tests. I HAVE done tests using the same phone, and the time to charge is about the same with either charger. Did it near the start of this thread, which was THREE YEARS AGO (can you believe?)
The video already posted several times shows that the two chargers provide the same amount of energy when charging an iPhone - 5 watts. 5 watts using an iPhone charger, 5 watts using an iPad charger. If 5 watts goes into the charger no more than 5 watts can come out of the charger. So the most that can go into the phone is 5 watts. So unless you have found a way to violate the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics the maximum amount of energy entering the phone is the same with either charger.
Now I see... i'm not techincal, i just go with what the crowd says... then what's all the drama around this discussion? lol
The answer has never been clearer! Only one (iPad) charger is needed to charge all iPad, iPad mini, iPhone, iPod... no more fuss about fitting all kind of chargers and cables in my travel bag... Thank you!
Sorry Merlin, much of your post is very good, but you are totally wrong towards the end. A power supply is rated at the maximum it can supply. It does not mean it will force that amount of power through the device. If the power supply is rated to provide less current than the battery will draw when charging, then the battery will charge slower, limited by the output of the charger. If the battery could draw infinite power, it would have to have a resistance of 0 ohms across the terminals.
See the wikipedia page on ohms law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law) for more details.
Example, a car battery can easily provide in excess of 150A (1.8kW of power at 12V), but connect a small 12V light bulb across the terminals, and will only draw what the bulb needs. Most automotive bulbs pull 5W (0.4A at 12V) or 21W (1.75A at 12V). If the bulb drew the full150W (1.8kW at 12V) from the battery (as my example battery can supply), that would be brighter than 3 or 4 high power floodlights.
OK, I reran the test I did at very early in this thread. Details:
Airplane Mode: OFF
No attempt to shut down apps in the Quick Launch ribbon
I ran my iPhone 4S down to 1%, then kept it alive until it shut down. I then charged it with an iPad charger. After 2 hours the battery gauge said 91%. I let it go another hour, and it reached 100%.
I ran the same iPhone 4S with the same settings down to 1%, then kept it alive until it shut down. I then charged it with an iPhone charger. After 2 hours the battery gauge said 92% (the iPhone charger charged it slightly faster, but not statistically significant). I let it go another hour, and it reached 100%.
An iPad charger DOES NOT charge my iPhone any faster than an iPhone charger does.
I did a more scientific test and used a power meter to measure current draw when charging.
The iPhone limits itself to using only 1 amp (5 watts) regarless if it's connected to a higher capacity adapter like the iPad 10 W or 12 W.
When the iPhone is rapid charging, it will use 0.93 amps with the screen off and 1.03 amps with the screen on (it draws an additional 0.10 amps to power the phone and doesn't reduce the power to charging the battery.) It uses the exact same amount of power when using the iPhone adapter and iPad adapters. Also note that this means the iPhone doesn't seem to charge any faster or slower if you are using it or if the screen is off. Using the phone doesn't reduce the charging rate if .10 A is enough to power the phone.
The iPhone rapdid charges using 0.93 amps below 80%. Above 80% it gradually reduces the power and subsequently charging rate (almost linearly) as it increases to 100%. Once fully charged it stops charging. Also be aware that the display will show 100% at about 97% actual battery charge so it may appear to continue charging for a long time while reading 100% before you see the icon switch to a plug (from a lightning battery.) It's not overcharging, it's just trickle charging the last few percent and it's slow.
I used this power meter I got off of Amazon.com
I actually also cut open a cable and used an actual digital multimeter until I found this USB meter (and got the same results.)
Using the phone doesn't reduce the charging rate if .10 A is enough to power the phone.
Good info... wasn't aware of that bit of detail.
Well the key word is *IF*. I don't know for a fact that .10 A is. It's possible that the phone for (a purely hypothetical) example .20 A, so that would mean the charge rate would drop to .83 A instead of .93 A and in fact reduce the charging rate but I really don't think that's the case. All I know is that the phone draws .10~.11 A more and the iPad .13~.15 A more when "on" than when just off and rapid charging, so there is at least a significant compensation.
I should charge the phone all the way up to 100% until the battery icon shows without the lightning bolt (charge indicator) then measure the current to determine for sure. I think that would work.
Lawrence Finch wrote:
Thanks for the follow-up. I was going to do the same thing when I got a chance. Unfortunately, I doubt that this will convince everyone who KNOWS that a 10 watt charger MUST charge twice as fast as a 5 watt charger.
I must admit that I thought the iPhone would charge a little faster with a 2 A adapter than the 1 A adapter. I assumed the iPhone charged using 1 A with the 1 A charger, but used something in the range of 1.3 A with a higher capacity charger (2.1 A). Not a full 2 amps, just a little more. I don't know where I got that idea. I was a little surprised (but shouldn't have been) when I did my test and learned that no, the iPhone is what's regulating itself to 1 amp and it uses the EXACT same amount of current no matter what you connect it to (unles of course it's less than 1 amp.)
What I also discovered was that some 99 cent 30-pin cables I ordered in bulk off of an Amazon reseller (you know one with a crazy name like lucky-shop and ships directly from Shenzen) really suck. They only deliver .67 amps so I'd been using those all along wondering why the iPhone didn't charge faster (duh!) I hacked open a cable and found that they are (of course) just really cheaply made with a wire gague that's too thin, especially for a 6ft cable. Lesson learned.
So for best performance, either use genuine Apple or get cables that are "MFI certified" (aka Apple certified) or at least a name brand like Belkin, etc. They can all do well over 1 amp even at 6ft.