Playlist ordering with 4G shuffle NOT possible

I have the same problem and I posted another thread: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2584299&tstart=0. The problem that I am facing now is how to get Apple to fix this problem: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2584329&tstart=0

If you are syncing playlists, whatever you have the list sorted to in iTunes will show up in the ipod after you sync.

If you are syncing manually, you can adjust the sort order on the device itself by click on the "Music" line under the name of your ipod on the left side of the itunes window. You then use the list of music on the right and can change the sort order there.

If you are not seeing it act this way, try restoring your ipod first.

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I also cannot rearrange the songs in the music library of my new shuffle. (This was never a problem with my older shuffle.) This may not be the perfect solution (I still think Apple should address this problem) but my sister thought of a good work-around and that is to create a playlist on your shuffle called "everything" or something similar, click on the first song in your shuffle music library, press the shift key, then click on the last song in the library and drag the entire list into your new playlist. Then you can rearrange the songs to your heart's content. You'll just need to remember to add new songs to this playlist as you add them to your library.

You can sort all the music that is not in a playlist on your shuffle. It inherits whatever sort you have selected for your entire music library in itunes. To see what I am talking about, do this:

1. Under Library (on the left side of iTunes) click "Music"
2. You now see on the right your entire music library. At the top, click the top of the column you want to sort by. You can right click to add more columns
3. Sort by something different than what you are currently sorting by.
4. Connect your shuffle and wait for it to come up
5. When your shuffle appears on the left, open it and click "Music" and note how it is sorted. The column it is currently sorted by will be darker in its heading and their will be a triangle in that columns heading
6. Now click on the name of your shuffle and click sync.
7. Go back to your "Music" entry on your shuffle and you will see it is now sorted by the column you changed your iTunes music library too.

So, your music on your shuffle will inherit the sort order you have set for your entire library on itunes, when you sync it.

Does that make sense?

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I don't want the library sorted any particular way (like by artist or song title), I want to be able to put the songs in whatever order I want and be able to change the order whenever I want. I was always able to switch around the song order on the library list (even just to reverse the order of a couple of songs) just by clicking and dragging on my older shuffle. I can click and drag the songs around in my playlists on my 4G shuffle but I can't do anything with the music library.