7 Replies Latest reply: Sep 24, 2010 10:52 AM by BDAqua
Norm Caryl Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
Thought I'd enlist the help of the "heavy hitters" of this forum...

You may know of this problem, but I just became aware of it. Upon reactivating my trusty Epson Stylus Color 1160 printer this week (and a long while since upgrading from Panther), I discovered that the Epson printer drivers no longer work, nor does the Epson Print Utility (which is supposed to be used for alignment, head cleaning and nozzle test).

It means that, because I'm running a PowerPC machine, I can no longer print my valuable archives of large scale high resolution Southwest photos... which I have optimized for certain ICC Color Profiles in ColorSync.

Epson tells me they're no longer supporting the software for the 1160 and they refuse to help, other than to refer me to use the GIMP Print drivers that shipped with OS X 10.4.11.

No offense to Apple or SourceForge (who make these drivers), but this solution is laughable. First of all, I can't find any ColorSync facility built into the GIMP interface in Tiger; and, secondly, the print image size in the GIMP drivers seems to be seriously bolloxed (as my 13" x 19" test printout printed at 8-1/2" x 11" EXCEPT for a 3/8" band in the middle that was actually 13" x 19").

Yes, I have downloaded, but not yet installed the most recent GIMP drivers ("GutenPrint") from sourceforge, but have to admit I don't have the confidence to apply them...

Please let me know any thoughts and recommendations... Thanks!

PowerMac G4 Dual Boot DP 1.25 GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.11)
  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,375 points)
    Since it's a Dual Boot, can you use the OS9 drivers?

    http://tinyurl.com/2ackvb8

    Does this old OSX driver work?

    http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9339/epson-stylus-1160-driver

    Custom installs in Mac OS X 10.4...

    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301229

    "Here's a list of all the custom installation Printer options available with Optional Installs.mpkg:

    Print Drivers

    * Brother Printer Drivers
    * Canon Printer Drivers
    * Electronics For Imaging Printer Drivers
    * Epson Printer Drivers
    * Hewlett-Packard Printer Drivers
    * Lexmark Printer Drivers
    * Gimp Printer Drivers
    * Ricoh Printer Drivers
    * Xerox Printer Drivers

    Tiger Install disk has the EPSON Stylus Color 1160 - Gimp-Print 5.0.0-beta2 drivers on it...

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1468?#epsondrivers

    You know, this would almost be funny if it weren't funny at all... Epson Printers all use the same exact languages they always did, I wouldn't be surprised that you could use a later Epson Driver and/or habd edit the PPD to the correct dimensions.

    If it uses 4 inks perhaps the Epson WorkForce 1100 Wide-format Printer driver would work?
  • Norm Caryl Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    BDAqua, thanks for your kind and generous response.

    1.) "Since it's a Dual Boot, can you use the OS9 drivers?"

    Beats me... I print from Photoshop 7. I can't remember if the program runs under OS 9; nor do I know if running Photoshop under Tiger would let me select an OS 9 printer driver, in lieu of a Tiger driver.

    2.) "Does this old OSX driver work?"

    It's the same one I had installed under Panther (and the one Epson is still offering), but it doesn't show up at print time.

    3.) "Custom installs in Mac OS X 10.4... "

    Not sure if this is the ticket -- I surmise the installation of Tiger installs the GIMP drivers, in precedence to the Epson (1.2Ba) driver -- or at least somehow the Tiger print routine won't invoke the old Epson Driver (which I never uninstalled).

    4.) " ...I wouldn't be surprised that you could use a later Epson Driver and/or habd edit the PPD to the correct dimensions."

    Wow. I assume such editing would exceed my skills (and I'm not familiar with the term "habd"). Are there instructions, somewhere?

    5.) "If it uses 4 inks perhaps the Epson WorkForce 1100 Wide-format Printer driver would work?"

    A creative thought. I've never looked into the structure of PPDs (or drivers), and have been assuming that either a.) the literal printer name would govern invocation of the code, or b.) Epson might have told me if another set of drivers and utilities might work, or c.) if they abandoned updating their 1160 software for Tiger and PowerPC, they well might have thrown the rest of their printers overboard, as well. I'll try to look into this...

    Why can't life be simple, the way it used to be... *:=)

    After a series of e-mail love letters back and forth between myself and the company, today I asked Customer Relations for the address of the CEO in Japan, so I could ship my boat anchor back to him, personally.

    Appreciate your help.
  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,375 points)
    I'm not familiar with the term "habd"


    OOPs, poor vision & one finger typing, that was supposed to be "hand".

    The PPDs kook like this, but this is just a few lines of one...

    *OpenUI *PageSize/Media Size: PickOne
    *OrderDependency: 10 AnySetup *PageSize
    *DefaultPageSize: Letter
    *PageSize Letter: "<</PageSize[612 792]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice"
    *PageSize Legal: "<</PageSize[612 1008]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice"
    *PageSize A4: "<</PageSize[595 842]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice"
    *PageSize FanFoldUS: "<</PageSize[1071 792]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice"
    *CloseUI: *PageSize

    *OpenUI *PageRegion: PickOne
    *OrderDependency: 10 AnySetup *PageRegion
    *DefaultPageRegion: Letter
    *PageRegion Letter: "<</PageSize[612 792]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice"
    *PageRegion Legal: "<</PageSize[612 1008]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice"
    *PageRegion A4: "<</PageSize[595 842]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice"
    *PageRegion FanFoldUS: "<</PageSize[1071 792]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice"
    *CloseUI: *PageRegion

    *DefaultImageableArea: Letter
    *ImageableArea Letter: "18.0 18.0 594.0 774.0"
    *ImageableArea Legal: "18.0 18.0 594.0 990.0"
    *ImageableArea A4: "18.0 18.0 577.0 824.0"
    *ImageableArea FanFoldUS: "18.0 18.0 1053.0 774.0"

    *DefaultPaperDimension: Letter
    *PaperDimension Letter: "612 792"
    *PaperDimension Legal: "612 1008"
    *PaperDimension A4: "595 842"
    *PaperDimension FanFoldUS: "1071 792"

    *MaxMediaWidth: "1080"
    *MaxMediaHeight: "86400"
    *HWMargins: 0 0 0 0
  • Norm Caryl Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Thanks, BDAqua.

    I'm afraid I don't know much about these matters... Is it true, then that:

    1.) a PPD file is a text file (that can be opened, edited, and then saved as a TXT file with an application like TextEdit-- with the extension PPD)?

    2.) the PPD file does not contain a literal within it naming the printer model (but the file's name, solely, identifies it to the printing software)?

    3.) a person would still have to have some version of Epson's printer driver software that works under Tiger (such as the Workflow 1100 you mentioned) in order to use the PPDs and ColorSync / ICC Profiles?

    Cheers -- N.
  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,375 points)
    1. Yes, I think they're all text files that can be edited, except I recall some compiled ones on OS9.

    2. I believe that's the case, but I'm thinking you can choose a different PPD, or even a different driver, but I'm not on 10.4 at the moment, nor do I have a Printer here. Did you try the WF1100 driver?

    http://tinyurl.com/27tv7zw

    3. Yes, I think so, unless maybe just get a cheap used Mac that can run the old Driver?
  • Norm Caryl Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Embarrassing, but true -- I tried printing again using the GIMP drivers that come with the Tiger (10.4.11) package, and found them to work now, when I make the correct selections.

    This means appropriately choosing settings in all of these: Page Setup, Print With Preview, and then in the Printer Features menu of the Print dialogue. When these are right, the documents print without error.

    I'm reluctant, then, to install the GutenPrint package that I downloaded, just because I need more simplicity in my life, but I'll keep them archived until there's a compelling reason to apply them (such as, for example, when and if I need to use SourceForge's Terminal printer utility for head alignment, or to check ink levels, or to perform a nozzle check).

    Many thanks to you BDAqua, for your indefatigable efforts on my behalf... !
  • BDAqua Level 10 Level 10 (120,375 points)
    Good news, great to hear you got it working Norm!