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  • alanfromwickford Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    "You are correct that both parties have a responsibility, but they are not equal. If a minor takes the credit card from your wallet and uses your computer account to purchase goods 'how is it reasonable that the merchant would know this?' The law voids the contract if a reasonable person would have known that the purchaser was a minor or otherwise incapable of entering into a contract."

     

    i am not a lawyer but have some experience as a small business oner.

     

    the problem with that phrase will mean the merchant will have to be able to show they have personally taken 'reasonable precautions'. While the disclaimer might have been read by the owner many one time buy apps won't have them - and memory fades which is not negligence on the gadget owners part.

     

    if you agree with this, then i think you can accept it is unlikely likely a child let alone another adult would read looking through every app for these disclaimers.

     

    The app is hyped as 'free' which to try buy it is. The app vendors know full this is happening and done nothing to stop it. Apple have gone some way but need ti go another mile. until that happens and i suspect rogue vendors will turn a blind eye until someone challenges it in a court.

     

    Very expensive to do with no guarantee to get costs, so the losses could be to high for small amounts.

     

    Add in that laws are riddled with this term, it is a personal judgement bound within a legally enforceable ramification. a classic example is the 'Heath and safety at work act' it says take "to take reasonable precaution", but reasonable is not quantifiable resulting in wearing full protective gear in the middle if a field, not being allowed to use steps on a building site, even though you have a firm proving training in their use, and insurrance.

  • tumbleweed555 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It is there.  It's just tucked nicely away underneath several great ratings.  Why don't they put it at the top, or in a pop up.  Oh right, then nobody would download the app and they couldn't steal money from unsuspecting customers.  I see your point.

     

    First it was my spelling skills and now it's my reading skills.  You have successfully discredited everything I have posted.  You are brilliant!!!  Now your in the same boat as Csound1.  If you can't say anything insightful, just pick up some rocks and start throwing.  It wasn't my intention to upset you so much.  I am sorry.  Take your xanax you'll feel better.

  • deggie Level 9 Level 9 (51,170 points)

    You are actually over two years late to this argument. We have covered everything and I have honestly answered all of your questions, including the fact that I don't work for any of these developers, Apple or anyone else involved. We have obvious political differences. But I don't think any of them are in bad faith, any more than General Foods who target children for cereals, Disney who sells them movies, TV shows, movies, and these apps.

     

    I have also told you I don't care for them and don't have them. But others love them and it is not my place to deprive them of playing them.

     

    Every once in a while someone else will add to this thread but it isn't many people so I guess the vast majority of parents are responsible which is a good thing. Again if you think this is robbery contact the local authorities and contact your representatives and ask for laws to be passed. And again, I wish you no luck.

  • Evjorenoliv Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    My posts were removed too and I was blocked from this thread - de-authorised. But my ban has apparently been lifted as replies to this thread have been clogging my inbox all day. I am not sure why, but I think my crime was to reference some articles in the news about (oh, I mustn't write the word) ******* against Apple over the very topic of this thread.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (44,720 points)

    You transgressed the Unsupported Hyperbole rule

  • tumbleweed555 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Now that's censorship and nanny state type behavior.  Wouldn't you agree deggie?  Or you just want open and free markets, but speech sensorship is ok?  As long as it doesn't effect the app developers, right. 

  • tonefox Level 6 Level 6 (8,935 points)

    tumbleweed555 wrote:

    First it was my spelling skills and now it's my reading skills.

    Fair enough. If any of my children were under the forty years old and more that they are, I would certainly take more care reading the description of an app I let them play with.  You cannot claim that the warning was not in place.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (44,720 points)

    tumbleweed555 wrote:

     

    Now that's censorship and nanny state type behavior.  Wouldn't you agree deggie?  Or you just want open and free markets, but speech sensorship is ok?  As long as it doesn't effect the app developers, right. 

     

    Hi again, sorry but couldn't resist

     

    You are in Apples house, you agreed to Apples rules, once again having agreed to them you don't approve of them. See a pattern here?

     

    Don't agree to terms you don't agree with.

  • deggie Level 9 Level 9 (51,170 points)

    This is a private corporate support site. There are rules here we all agreed to we we joined.

     

    It is not censorship which refers to a government action.

     

    I don't always agree with the application of the rules here but I don't own the site. But I did agree to abide by the rules.

  • tumbleweed555 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Sounds like your a person who reads everything all the time and was a great parent.  I didn't claim it wasn't there, I claimed I could download, install, and play the game without a notification.  I never disputed it would be somewhere in their text.

  • tumbleweed555 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    If that's the way the game is played.  Good day!  I'll go to vegas if I want to participate in a process rigged for someone else.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (44,720 points)

    tumbleweed555 wrote:

     

    If that's the way the game is played.  Good day!  I'll go to vegas if I want to participate in a process rigged for someone else.

    Vegas has house rules too, read them before you agree.

  • deggie Level 9 Level 9 (51,170 points)

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  • tumbleweed555 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Did a little research!  Now this thread makes a lot more sense.  Do any of you receive any compensation for what you contribute here by anyone?

     

    Csound1 - Really?  So your admitting this site is rigged?  Stop the bleeding and don't make anymore comments for your own good!  Stick to editing. 

     

    I'll just refer back to the quote from Warren Buffett:

     

    "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it.  If you think about that you'll do things differently." 

     

    I hope Apple figures this out, because I really love their devices and what their share price has done prior to the recent decline.

  • stevejobsfan0123 Level 8 Level 8 (38,870 points)

    " I didn't claim it wasn't there, I claimed I could download, install, and play the game without a notification.  I never disputed it would be somewhere in their text."

     

    And did you try to purchase something, and take note of the confirm dialog, "Do you want to buy xyz for $0.99," OK or Cancel?

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