Text messages don't actually get deleted

To all apple iPhone owners! Beware !! Apple iOS software stores every text message ever made on your phone.
You may think you've deleted them but there still there. I found out myself when I was using spotlight search to find something and noticed that some text conversations I made months ago were showing up!
These text messages were deleted a long time ago or so I thought.
When I contacted apple customer support, they told me the only way to permanent remove all text messages and ooh yes also emails , is to do a master reset, or restore to factory setting on iTunes. This intern removes all data from your phone. The downside to this is all your contacts , apps, and settings are erased. You also can't backup from previous because then it puts it back in ur phone. I know I have done it.

imac, Mac OS X (10.6.2)

Posted on Sep 26, 2010 8:09 PM

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Posted on Sep 27, 2010 2:13 PM

Settings are lost when restoring as a new iPhone or not from your iPhone's backup, but all iTunes content on your iPhone - all music, movies, tv shows, and 3rd party apps should be in your iTunes library on your computer, and contacts are designed to be synced with a supported address book application on your computer and should be available on your computer with or without an iPhone or any cell phone. Not a good idea to depend on your iPhone or any cell phone alone for contacts, which can be lost or stolen.

I have nothing to be worried about - mainly since I have nothing to hide. If I discovered someone I allowed to use my iPhone doing a spotlight search for something in particular on MY iPhone, that would be the last time they would use it.
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Sep 27, 2010 2:13 PM in response to gixxermike

Settings are lost when restoring as a new iPhone or not from your iPhone's backup, but all iTunes content on your iPhone - all music, movies, tv shows, and 3rd party apps should be in your iTunes library on your computer, and contacts are designed to be synced with a supported address book application on your computer and should be available on your computer with or without an iPhone or any cell phone. Not a good idea to depend on your iPhone or any cell phone alone for contacts, which can be lost or stolen.

I have nothing to be worried about - mainly since I have nothing to hide. If I discovered someone I allowed to use my iPhone doing a spotlight search for something in particular on MY iPhone, that would be the last time they would use it.

Dec 28, 2012 8:27 PM in response to gixxermike

You are correct. My bf unknowingly was showing me how to look up contacts through the spotlight search, little did he or I know at the time that the first sentance of text messages would show up.

Oh how I did not like what I saw. 😟

I have also played with it on mine, it is hit or miss as you have to type in a keyword that is actually in the text. You cannot read the whole text, nor really tell who the actual sender or reciever is, only the other name exchanging the texts.

Seems to me if they are still in there enough to show up in spotlight search there has to be a way to recover them. But you cannot open them once they have been deleted.

There can be enough evidence just in that to get you in trouble.

Although the easiest solution is just to do the right dang thing in the first place and not be exchanging texts that you wouldn't want someone else to see. Grrrrrr!!!

But changing your settings will stop the spolight search from searching text messages, or email whatever you don't want to show up.

But all someone has to do if they can get to your phone is recheck the settings and bam!!

The truth will always come out in time anyway!

Sep 27, 2010 11:54 PM in response to molotovito

I wouldnt have posted this thread if i didnt see it for myself and speak with apple customer care!
Type a text message with a certain sentence to somebody , delete that message and go into spotlight search. type in any word from that text or the persons phone number or the persons name in your address book.
The only way it will not show up in spotlight is if your settings has messages unchecked!! ( goto ) settings/general/spotlight search/
If messages is checked you will see every text message you have sent in spotlight search

Jan 15, 2013 11:57 AM in response to gixxermike

I have just had my Iphone searched by GF using device/software bought online, it revealed EVERY call and text EVER made by me on phone, including date, time sender and FULL content of all messages, it feels like i have had my mind read. HOW do i delete all from memory to stop this. Spotlight search finds nothing, but 3rd party devices can find EVERYTHING *** Apple ;-(

Sep 28, 2010 1:51 PM in response to DCGOO

DCGOO wrote:
All that means is the constraint of a spotlight search has been limited to undeleted messages.


What that means is that the information is removed from the directory. It has nothing to do with spotlight the iPhone has no idea that it exists. It's just like on a computer. Even though it's really there the computer thinks it isn't. The iPhone thinks it isn't there. It has nothing to do with how Spotlight works.

It would take some serious retrieval tools to retrieve it.

Oct 27, 2010 3:56 PM in response to Igor_G5

I'm running 4.1 and I can still pull up old deleted text messages in spotlight search by typing in the area code of the phone number... it's not every one of them but it's a lot of them... I can't always reproduce it but there's a bunch of deleted texts that come up with previews of the text I can read... I really don't like this issue.

Jan 5, 2011 7:00 PM in response to gixxermike

They guy who posted this is correct. I dont know about emails but I know the spotlight search and the text message search can pull up previously deleted messages, but I do believe there are some stipulations. I think the deleted text messages that appear must be the last text in a deleted conversation, as in clearing a conversation. I think manually deleting each text message fixes this problem as far as i can tell. And yes it is possible to delete some messages in a convo without deleting the whole thing.

Oct 13, 2012 3:30 AM in response to gixxermike

Thanks for the heads up.

It angers me that 2 years later, this is still an issue.

Windows deletes things so "you" can't search them out unless you're super techy.

Come on Apple - I can accept a false sense of security, just find a way to delete TEXTS from the phones "spotlight search" . It should be a flood light search or a interrogation room search.


i will send apple my thoughts. Yet another missed opportunity to fix stuff we beg them to fix for years.

Jan 31, 2013 7:07 PM in response to frootloup

Iphone 5. Latest Firmware..


I have Exactly the same problem as the Original Poster. I dont even have to type in a full word! Just single letters of the alphabet (certain ones) will pull out previews of texts I deleted months ago! And an Itunes synch does Not get rid of them, as some people have suggested on other forums!


This is my first ever iPhone. Apart from this issue I love it. Would of expected Apple to have sorted this out by now! Not good.

Aug 29, 2013 7:10 PM in response to gixxermike

I am trying to retrieve text messages that were deleted. I had not backed up before they were deleted from the phone but have since restore the phone to factory settings. I have tried multiple ways to restore the messages as I lost a phone number for someone that had been texting me. If anyone knows how to restore or access the phone number I would greatly appreciate it. Note the phone number was used for sms only. thanks

Celeste

Oct 1, 2013 9:45 PM in response to gixxermike

The fact is for some unknow reason Apple is keeping a record of these records whether you delete them or not, and it is not just a small record, for call history it can be many many months of deleted records it keeps , it has nothing to do with unused space or anything like that.


For sms they are stored in a file called SMS.db and for call history its called Call_History.db these files are hidden and you can only access them from the phone itself if the phone is jailbroken.


However what is more worrring is that these files are also in the backup stored in semi plain text ans you need only a plain text editor to read them not specialist software like something..


try for yourselfs..


Create a backup of you phone to your pc

Search for the backup location, (in mac you can go prefrences>devices>right click the backupo and click open in finder)

Open the following files in text editor


3d0d7e5fb2ce288813306e4d4636395e047a3d28   this is the sms databse

2b2b0084a1bc3a5ac8c27afdf14afb42c61a19ca   this is the call hsitory database


This is basic way to do it and there is alot of unreadable characters but you can still read alot of the sms and call istory if you look through


The big point is whyt it keeps these records even after syncing

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