Audio setup for a church...

Hey all, I Have some gear questions and I'm hoping someone here can give me some good, sound (no pun intended) advice. In a few weeks I will be setting up my churches sound system, I have a (fairly) unlimited budget, say 9 or 10 grand, but obviously the cheaper the better as that leftover money could be used on other projects. I convinced our Pastor that switching the soundbooth over to computer, would be more efficient as we could stream sermons live and so forth. I dont want the system to be too complicated because I might not always be around. What recomendation would you guys have on xlr to usb, 1/4 phono to usb, what type of logic software (pro, studio, etc) mic'ing a live piano and organ, and what type of mac to run it all. I think we might want laptop, where we could unplug and secure it when not in use, But we could also bolt down an iMac i suppose. I dont need mic's, amps, or speakers, I just want to ditch our mixing board basically, and replace it with the mac. Thanks in advance.
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Posted on Oct 11, 2010 1:30 PM

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Oct 12, 2010 4:56 PM in response to deathwoozle

Sincerity vs. sarcasm. That's why I used a winky. **** winkies don't always work!

Using garage band just to record audio should be perfectly fine. There's no difference in recording quality between it and Logic. That has more to do with the quality of the input signal and then the interface itself. Could be that there's some kind of grounding problem or impedence mismatch between the outputs of your board (which does sound like a bunch of trouble) and the computer. Or, it could be that there are grounding problems or bad gain staging at the board which translates into line noise in the recordings.

An analog board gives you instant access to the various knobs you'd need to be able to make a successful recording, as well as foldback to the PA and monitors. If you don't need a whole lot of inputs, a Mackie 1642 might be a great choice. It's really small, sounds good, has four stereo faders, lots of routing options to get signal to the computer, inputs for auxiliary sound sources, feed to the PA, monitors, and so on.

In short, "go modular" with your approach: computer for recording. CD or iPod or other devices for audio playback of other stuff. Board acting as a central hub for it all. Good grounding and proper gain staging will help to ensure good sound quality regardless of what system you end up using.

Oct 11, 2010 2:47 PM in response to deathwoozle

Wow, you're worried about gear getting stolen in a church? I think you should use your powers of persuasion to convince your pastor to reinforce the "thou shalt not steal" commandment.

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Just curious... why do you want to ditch the mixing board? Also, why XLR to USB? Why not XLR straight-up?

Recording on computer? No problem. That's easy. But my feeling is that you need to be more specific about why you want to make this huge change. Also, you mentioned piano and organ. Fine. Each one mic'd in stereo or mono? Then there's the pastor's mic... Any other inputs? Also, feeds... Do you also feed the sound system? So all these questions are leading to the key question: how many total inputs and outputs do you need right now, and how many might you want to expand to (if at all) in the future?

BTW, all of this will be significantly easier if you just keep the mixing board (unless it's really a piece of garbage). Absolutely everything about running live sound is easier when you use a board as opposed to software where you can only adjust one thing at a time, and sometimes have to access different "pages" to get to those controls.

Oct 11, 2010 10:06 PM in response to deathwoozle

Thanks for the replies guys...
We want to ditch the mixing board because it is a hyper complicated piece of crap with a manual the size of a phonebook. I Cant remember the exact model number but it is a yamaha pro, it can do ten million things we dont need it for. Nor do we ever have plans to expand to do 5000 pre-programable "scenes"... or any of the other stuff this board can do. We currently run 4 xlr mic's in, and 2 stereo 1/4 wireless units. We also run a dvd player, cd player/recorder, casette decks, and 1/8 in stereo in off a splitter to dual rca. This is the main reason we want the computer.... get it? no more cd player/recorder, no more dvd, tranfer cassettes to cd...no more cassette player, no more 1/8 in splitter as the computer has line in... simpler. One unit handles everything. One unit to troubleshoot when it screws up. right now we already output the soundboard to garageband, so why not eliminate all that crap and just have one computer to handle it. USB=expandability so if we get a unit to handle xlr and 1/4 in and we need more inputs in the future, more usb handles it, and not having to buy a bigger board. And as far as securing our gear, what, you think churches are somehow exempt from break ins? I never said our congregation intended to steal it...Thanks for the help guys.

Oct 11, 2010 10:45 PM in response to deathwoozle

Sounds like you have got a digital board, which can be quite complicated. Yamaha LS9 maybe? Anyhow, I would suggest selling it and getting a solid analog console to replace it. Soundcraft or Allen & Heath comes to mind. I think it will be a hard road ahead if not nearly impossible to ditch a mixing console totally. I mix in churches all the time from digital Yamaha's to analog Midas heritage stuff, the analog console will put you right. Then get your computer, sound card and integrate that into you web streams.Two totally different animals there. 🙂

Oct 12, 2010 7:28 AM in response to deathwoozle

It sounds like the mixing board you guys have was a bad choice for your application. A simple mixing board would be perfect for what you're doing, something like a mackie 802 or 1202.

It would make sense to use a computer for playback, although if you're doing the equivalent of replacing CD and cassette players, it might be just as easy to use an ipod for that. But you wouldn't want to run all the live sound through the computer, it's unnecessarily complicated and too much risk of something going wrong.

Get a simple analog mixing board and hook up a computer for playback and/or recording. Extremely simple to use, instant on, and very low chance of failure.

Oct 12, 2010 10:08 AM in response to deathwoozle

We inherited the sound system in this church. Nobody thats here now actually has any idea who bought or installed it, but it is major overkill for what we need. And it is too complicated for everyday use. It is entirely programable, so if the kid in the sound booth bumps one button, the mixing levels fly all over the place "recalling" another "scene", and the next thing you know the pastors mic is dead in the middle of the service.
@iSchwartz... Its hard to tell when someone is using sarcasm in typing, if I took you the wrong way, my bad, it was unintentional and I apologise.
You all seem to think just simplifying the soundboard is the way to go, but thats why im here, to get good advice from people who have been there done that... I thought it would be simpler to just let a computer run the whole nine yards, but apparently that just going to build yet another complicated beast that no one will be able to figure out later on. right now we are running the stereo outputs of the board straight to the line in on a macbook pro, and recording with garage band. Is that the best way to do this? it seems to have a lot of line noise this way... something to do with the input level on the mac maybe? can the output from the mac be looped back to soundboard for playing dvd's, or cd's without causing issues?

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