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Protected MPEG-4 movie

I have a catalog of personal M4V/H.264 files and have "set all" these types of files to open in Quicktime X because I find the default iTunes extremely annoying.

QuickTime seems to think that all M4V files are copy protected content and writes "Protected MPEG-4 movie" as the file type unilaterally.

What's going on with this? The UTI declaration is wrong. Will this in any way affect/block the use of these files in other applications or using externally? Not sure - what exactly does being labeled as "protected" do? (Something looming for iOS?)

Alternatively if one sets M4V files to open in iTunes, they are not seen as protected file types.

hmmm

2009 MacMini, 2010 MacBook, Apple TV 3.0.1 160GB, Power Mac 8500, Mac OS X (10.6.4), Dell 2408WFP monitor, 8TB external

Posted on Nov 1, 2010 12:28 PM

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Nov 1, 2010 1:52 PM in response to igirl1

I have a catalog of personal M4V/H.264 files and have "set all" these types of files to open in Quicktime X because I find the default iTunes extremely annoying... Alternatively if one sets M4V files to open in iTunes, they are not seen as protected file types.

Just want to understand things clearly... When you say "personal M4V/H.264," are you saying "created" by you personally or do you mean "purchased" from iTunes for your personal use?

In the first case, I'm not sure why QT X would be identifying the files as DRM content. Do they, for instance, contain AC3 audio? What application did you use to create them? Do you get the same results if the audio/video data is is place in MOV or MP4 file containers and/or simply change the file extension to MOV or MP4?

In the latter case, if the files were purchased from iTunes, then they are DRM'd and that does require playback in iTunes on a platform "authorized" for your account.

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Nov 1, 2010 2:49 PM in response to Jon Walker

As far as I can tell, this only applies to *all files* with an M4V extension - regardless of the source.
OSX 10.6.4 Quicktime 10.0

I specifically said "personal" to eliminate the question of source/purchase/ownership/DRM etc. I've never purchased anything through iTunes. In most cases these are home videos saved to TS folders and converted in Handbrake to H.264/M4V. Again, source does not matter. All M4Vs I have say this, regardless of the source. I just took a 5 second screen capture movie using Snapz Pro X - it saves as a .mov but if I change the file extension to M4V - sure enough - "protected" comes up!

If I change the file extension on ANY M4V to MP4 the "protected" goes away and it simply becomes "MPEG-4 movie".

Something is not right. An M4V should not be assumed to be protected content. I wonder if this is some precursor to locking down file formats and copy protection for future (iOS) uses...?

Nov 1, 2010 6:25 PM in response to igirl1

Something is not right. An M4V should not be assumed to be protected content.

Correct. However, problem seems to limited to your system. I have no problems playing files generated using the same work flow in both QT 7 and QT X on Snow Leopard platform or QT 7 on older PPC G5 under Leopard. Both are running under latest respective versions of the OS.

If you have a spare external drive, I would recommend creating a "pristine" minimal start-up system and try the same files while booted from that drive. If they work properly, then the problem is likely a corrupted main system or embedded QT structure in the main OS. If files are still bad, I would install HandBrake on the external start-up drive and make a few test files to eliminate the possibility that the files themselves were somehow corrupted during creation but this seems less likely here since the files "can" play correctly with modified extension.

Using the "Save As... Movie" (QT X) or "Save As..." (QT 7 Pro) option will copy the M4V file data to a "real" MOV file container (i.e. internals will match extension) or the "Save As..." option in MPEG Streamclip can copy the M4V data to a "real" MP4 file container. This would be a temporary workaround if you want your original data in properly headed containers that avoid your current problem (based on what you said about changing the file extension), but does not really address the real problem here. (Am assuming the files do not contain extraneous data tracks that MPEG Streamclip would filter out during the copy and that you have not mismatched the Snow Leopard embedded QT structure with the wrong QT X Player app.)

In any case, once the problem is isolated, I expect you should be able to fix it.

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Nov 1, 2010 8:36 PM in response to Jon Walker

OK - I just duplicated the issue on a completely different system - a 2010 MacBook as opposed to a desktop. Almost nothing is installed on this MacBook.

"I have no problems playing files generated using the same work flow "


I never said the files won't play! Only that the kind is being changed.

Snapz Pro X - record movie - change the extension from MOV to M4V - do GET INFO - change the "Open With"/Kind to Quicktime and watch it change to "protected".

I expect just about any video file changed to a M4V type will act the same. I just didn't have any videos on that box so recorded the screen capture one. And it's not that program either - other files read from HDs over the network also show the same.

This isn't a deal breaker - everything about these files seems to work on everything I've tried thus far. I just still can't figure out what's going on and why?

Nov 2, 2010 5:52 AM in response to igirl1

I never said the files won't play! Only that the kind is being changed... I expect just about any video file changed to a M4V type will act the same. I just didn't have any videos on that box so recorded the screen capture one. And it's not that program either - other files read from HDs over the network also show the same.

When I said "play fine" I meant the files play in the players WITHOUT any "change in kind" or "Protected MPEG-4 movie" indicator. Of course, I don't change the default player either. That is, since my files are destined for iTunes/TV playback and they contain an extra AC3 audio track, I leave them set for iTunes and simply drop the files on the docked player in which I want to display them (i.e., QT X or QT 7 or G5 Automator desktop sequencer app).

In fact, the only way I can get any reference to "protected" content is to open an iTunes "AVCO media" file (Apple iTunes DRM protected download file). All of my HandBrake generated TV M4V files are "Format: JVT/AVC Coding... AAC..." ("Kind: MPEG-4 Video File"). Makes me wonder if your problem is self-inflicted as a result of custom HandBrake settings or a corruption which results in a problem durning the "muxing" phase. I repeat, my "home brewed" files do not display the symptoms you describe. I cannot duplicate your problem nor can I remember anyone else reporting a similar problem here.

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Nov 2, 2010 8:34 AM in response to Jon Walker

Thanks for sticking with me on this - but I really have to wonder if you've done ALL the steps I outlined - INCLUDING - especially changing the default player to Quicktime????????

Makes me wonder if your problem is self-inflicted as a result of custom HandBrake settings or a corruption which results in a problem durning the "muxing" phase.


The new MacBook does it too - Handbrake has never ever been installed on it.

*OK - follow me here - just did it again in a different way, on the MacBook*

1. Open text edit - save a blank .rtf file to the desktop
2. Manually change the .rtf extension of that file to .m4v
3. Answer confirmation dialog - yes change it
4. Get Info
5. Change "Open With" to Quicktime (X)
6. Observe "Kind" change from "Rich Text Format" to "Protected MPEG-4 Movie".

You must do ALL the steps to Duplicate this - not pick and choose.
You can also do all of this in the "Get Info" window - to any file of any type.
This has nothing to do with video files, Handbrake or otherwise.
It's the UTI declaration and handing of QTX and M4V that's in question.

If followed exactly and the above doesn't give you the exact same results I'm having, then I don't know what to say. Repeatable on two completely different boxes for me.

Nov 2, 2010 10:29 AM in response to igirl1

If followed exactly and the above doesn't give you the exact same results I'm having, then I don't know what to say. Repeatable on two completely different boxes for me.

Okay, that I can duplicate. However, it only appears to refer to the M4V file extension and not to the data/headers contained within the file (which was what I was previously looking at/for). I suspect that M4V extension is "hardwired" to iTunes and that the Snow Leopard "QT Player Launcher" is generating an exception it doesn't know how to handle/trap. Probably worth reporting to Apple but, as you indicated, it only seems to create an improper Finder notation rather than a playback problem.

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