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Nov 9, 2010 2:06 AMby Theo_Stauffer,westinmylifeaway wrote:
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What other CEO pulls a stunt like this?
While I was terribly shocked over the weekend, I think it's time to get over Steve Jobs and his ego and to start finding alternative solutions to Apple, to be blunt. Trusting Apple to keep OSX going when the goal is obviously iOS and an app store on all devices (Good luck to those who want Adobe, Microsoft, Autodesk etc).
I think it's about time to cut our losses, grit our teeth and move to Windows and Microsoft and Linux (where we can). I'm pretty sure Adobe and Office will still work on Windows in 5 to 7 years time, but I'm not so sure that will be the case with the Mac. -
Nov 9, 2010 6:02 AMby westinmylifeaway,Although you may be Technically Right Or Laughably Ludicrous, the discussion here is the discontinuation of an important part of the Apple enterprise presence, not iOS, Microsoft or Linux. Apple has shown this tact once before, not many people can recall what existed before the Xserve, but there was a product line called the Apple Network Server that was AIX based. After Apple killed that product line there were similar discussions of Apple abandoning the enterprise, it was several years later that the Xserve was introduced, replacing the G4 Apple Workgroup Server which was a mid to high end representation of their existing desktop at the time.
Promoting discussions of Apple abandoning the enterprise doesn't help our case. I, as an Apple user, supporter and, dare say, 'evangelist' hope that enough people can convince Apple to explain their position and provide some hope that there is something better on the horizon. -
Nov 9, 2010 7:12 AMby beatle20359,I'm all in favour of the App store on the Mac. I don't think it will be the defacto way to download larger more established products from Adobe or Microsoft but I do think it will help bring the thriving Mac shareware eco system together and allow companies to spend more time developing and less on worrying about billing and having an online store. There are bound to be many cool little programs we just haven't heard of so i'm all for it.
However the discussion at hand is about the Xserve and we should all voice our opinions on why it's a bad move for us all. Some of you might not care and might be looking to other platforms anyway. For some this might move you to reconsider adopting the mac as the backend of your infrastructure. For those of us that already made the transition it is just disheartening to know that for all the blood, sweat and tears we endured getting our companies and institutions on to the only viable server technology Apple sell there is no clear or future path that comes close to matching the Xserve.
Some might say this is all a fools folly and that voicing our opinions is pointless but as this post and the others littered over the internet have racked up many 1000's of views and replies I suggest we continue. If each reply represents an Xserve owner or even better a multiple Xserve owner then someone at Apple should take note and see the potential for future hardware sales. We'll certainly never hit the heady heights of the iPhone or iMac but our role in the Apple eco system is an important one and one that should quite rightly continue.
All the best
Beatle -
Nov 9, 2010 7:36 AMby Timothy Brown1,Beatle has a point. If we all "shut up and take it" how could we rest soundly at night knowing that after many, many of us fought the establishment to convince their companies that Apple could be a viable solution and won a few small battles in the ongoing enterprise war.
We were just beginning to increase our purchases of Macs. Our shop has an X-serve running day-to-day for about 50 macs within a larger Windows corporate environment. We also have an X-serve supporting our broadcast operations and running our SAN and FCP Server setup, but we had fairly recently made a really large investment in many, many Macs that we planned to leverage as P.O.S tools. This operation didn't exactly go as planned, but now without the option of using Apple tools to provide intuitive management for these machines, not sure these machines will continue to fill that role. Not to mention any additional units that would/may have been added, due to the lack of a true enterprise level option for their management, will probably end up being the other brand of OS.
Very disappointed Apple. -
Nov 9, 2010 8:15 AMby westinmylifeaway,Apple has reversed course once before, bowing to public pressure to keep FireWire on the MacBook. It not only reversed it's decision, it vastly improved the product. Apple users are passionate about their computers, I hope there is a positive spin coming from this soon. Reducing their product line when they are announcing their largest fiscal income in the companies history makes little sense. -
Nov 9, 2010 8:45 AMby Thomas Marricco1,westinmylifeaway wrote:
Promoting discussions of Apple abandoning the enterprise doesn't help our case. I, as an Apple user, supporter and, dare say, 'evangelist' hope that enough people can convince Apple to explain their position and provide some hope that there is something better on the horizon.
So its up to me...as a paying Apple customer, to convince them to throw me a bone to keep me as a customer? Is that what you are really suggesting? If HP pulled this with their server line I bet you'd be asking people to just give them a second chance too. But since its Apple, they just get a free pass. -
Nov 9, 2010 8:50 AMby beatle20359,No, that's not what he is saying... Apple has a smaller user base in this market. It's by no means a free ride for them but is unlikely to generate more than a ripple unless us the customer (downtrodden or not) put up a bit of a fight. What would you rather Thomas? Assuming you are an Xserve owner... Move to another system... Get more rack space and lose the redundancy of the xserve or take a few moments to constructively voice your opinion.. Spending a few moments of my time on here to post something in the hope we get heard is fine by me. If it means my customers and company can continue to be offered the best product for the job so be it.. -
Nov 9, 2010 8:54 AMby daveschroeder,The Xserve announcement leaves us in a position of having no credible way to run Mac OS X Server in our enterprise datacenters. We hope that this "open letter" to Apple can help bring attention to this issue that many of us in academic and government sectors share:
http://AppleOpenLetter.com
Regards,
Dave Schroeder
Apple Distinguished Educator (ADE)
Apple University Executive Forum (UEF)
MacEnterprise
University of Wisconsin-Madison
das@doit.wisc.edu
http://das.doit.wisc.edu
+1 608 265-4737 (office)
+1 608 444-5672 (mobile) -
Nov 9, 2010 9:00 AMby Thomas Marricco1,Yes one client actually has 4 Xserves running along with a XServe RAID hosting about 500 users.
I don't really need a few minutes to decide, I already know what I'll be suggesting. Moving to another platform. Don't get me wrong, I liked the Xserves and OS X Server as a platform. However, running a MacPro without LoM, redundant power supplies, hot swappable bays, is not an option and is not a server. Quite frankly, any admin currently using any amount of Xserves who is seriously considering moving to a MacPro or Mini should be fired. Anybody who is suggesting that is not doing their job as a server admin which at the end of the day is to ensure business continuity for their employer, thats something that is no longer possible with Apple for any serious enterprise customer.
The ONE thing that would keep us with Apple in the server market would be for them to allow virtualization under vSphere which when it comes down to it, is just a licensing change, something really easy. Sadly I think Apple will not be allowing this. -
Nov 9, 2010 9:26 AMby GeekMan,An effort of some concerned individuals, including myself. Hopefully not in vain:
http://www.savethexserve.com/
If you care about the XServe and the future of OS X Server, please sign your name and share some thoughts.
Thank you. -
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Nov 9, 2010 10:05 AMby Paul Truesdell,Q1 our small business is set to replace all tech with Apple stuff. Xserves, iMacs, Macbook Pros, the works. Now this drops, I'm rethinking the whole change. Without a rack solution I can't justify the retraining of the employees to go with a sub-par solution. 10 Mac Pro "Servers" can't fit into a 48 U rack. Looks like Apple just lost my business. Apple is just a toy company in my eyes.
Very sad.
