8 Replies Latest reply: Nov 29, 2010 6:37 AM by The hatter
benms Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
I am new to recently new to using my MacBook Pro and however unfortunate I need to install Windows and I bought Windows 7 and Parallels 6 however I haven't installed either of them. I have a few basic questions after reviewing videos and posts I cant seem to get clear answers so I have elected to post these questions.

1. If I install Windows using Parallels 6 since the software doesn't create a partition how to I protect my entire Mac from viruses?

2. If I use Boot Camp to partition my Mac and install Windows 7 can I then install Parallels 6 in my OS X environment, thus protecting my Mac partition from viruses and eliminating the need of logging out of OX S to go into my Windows environment?

3. If I do use Boot Camp and install Windows 7 in a separate partition, what would be an appropriate size for this partition if I wont be a power user and never will use it for gaming?

MacBook Pro 15"
  • actionmarker Level 4 Level 4 (1,400 points)
    Hi and welcome to Apple and Discussions

    benms wrote:
    I am new to recently new to using my MacBook Pro and however unfortunate I need to install Windows and I bought Windows 7 and Parallels 6 however I haven't installed either of them. I have a few basic questions after reviewing videos and posts I cant seem to get clear answers so I have elected to post these questions.

    1. If I install Windows using Parallels 6 since the software doesn't create a partition how to I protect my entire Mac from viruses?

    Windows Viruses do not affect the Mac operating system. You will need to install virus protection in Windows, but it is only needed for the Windows operating system.

    2. If I use Boot Camp to partition my Mac and install Windows 7 can I then install Parallels 6 in my OS X environment, thus protecting my Mac partition from viruses and eliminating the need of logging out of OX S to go into my Windows environment?

    If you install Boot Camp and Windows 7 you again will need to install virus protection for the Windows operating system. Installing Parallels and Windows again is a waste of time as you already have a version in Boot Camp. There is no point in have 2 copies of Windows.

    3. If I do use Boot Camp and install Windows 7 in a separate partition, what would be an appropriate size for this partition if I wont be a power user and never will use it for gaming?


    That depends on what you are going to install, a full install of windows + basic applications like Office take up about 50GB, then decide how much extra space you may want after that.
    If you are not going to game and only do basic word processing, I wouldn't bother about the Boot Camp version at all and just use Parallels and Install window 7 into it.

    Out of interest, what applications do you still need to use in windows and have you investigated Mac alternates so you don't need windows at all?

    Hope this helps
  • benms Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    First as I mentioned in the first of my three questions I have bought both Windows 7 and Parallels 6 and have yet to install them so there wouldn't be any overlap to Windows. For me it comes down to which install is the cleanest, easiest to undue (if I want) and safeguards my Mac from viruses. I always assumed that Mac's are free from viruses however what confused me is that Parallels 6 has Mac and Windows virus security software installed. If Mac's are are free from viruses then why do they make a software protection?

    You posed the question what will I be running that requires Windows; two things a) Lacerte an accounting software and b) ExamSoft or SoftTest which my child needs when taking tests that locks down other software to prevent cheating. They do make a Mac Version however it isn't school supported yet.

    Parts of me just says buy an inexpensive PC and call it a day however I really don't want to support a PC again making the commitment to only to use Mac.

    I appreciate the clear response my third question.
  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,880 points)
    You need AV, I would stick with MS Security Essentials for Windows.

    Only reason to have Windows natively is to use full graphics and hardware for games, 3D or where you want full amount of RAM available to Windows.

    Installing Windows natively via Boot Camp, you can then use Parallels 6 and run it either way. Just don't activate until you have Parallels Tools installed and everything up and running.

    I think the PC software that "locks down" other software sounds more like the villain. Maybe it doesn't even work with a VM. You can have multiple VMs and have one that is "use and throw away" that doesn't save any changes made.
  • sig Level 8 Level 8 (35,775 points)
    For what you want it's easy to install Parallels 6 and then Windows 7 operating system. This way when you need the Windows apps you don't need to reboot your Mac. I don't see the need for virus software if all you are doing is using the two apps you mentioned. You're not surfing the web and not using any email programs while in Windows. I use Parallels for one app that runs in Windows because there is no Mac app for it.
  • GSYoung Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
    "If Mac's are are free from viruses then why do they make a software protection?"

    So they can sell you something.

    In general, there are few if any viruses for the Mac so you really don't have to worry about Windows viruses affecting your Mac. However, a Mac can be a conduit for transmitting viruses that are attached to email, downloads, etc in a shared environment. While the virus won't affect the Mac, it can forward it on. There are free virus solutions for the Mac. ClamXav is one that I use to simply watch and clean my download folder so I don't become a vector of disease to my Windows friends.

    As to the larger question: Boot Camp vs. Parallels. I have used both and with the latest versions of Parallels, I see no clear advantage of using Boot Camp at all. Parallels is fast and gives you the luxury of running both OS's simultaneously. You don't have to create a separate partition. You can easily move your virtual machines to another Mac if needed. You can create a virtual copy of your existing PC using Parallels Transporter so you don't have to reinstall all your apps and documents. Most importantly, you don't have to keep rebooting your machine to get to Windows. If you want to undue the install, simply chuck the VM file in the trash and uninstall Parallels. You will still need an antivirus solution on any Windows installation (and there are free versions such as AVG free).

    So...my advice: Install Parallels, create a VM, forget about Boot Camp, and enjoy that Mac of yours running both OS's simultaneously!
  • actionmarker Level 4 Level 4 (1,400 points)
    Hi,

    'GSYoung' has explained the advantages extremely well for using Parallels and Windows 7 and I agree that this is probably your best and easiest way of using Windows 7 on the Mac.

    First as I mentioned in the first of my three questions I have bought both Windows 7 and Parallels 6 and have yet to install them so there wouldn't be any overlap to Windows. For me it comes down to which install is the cleanest, easiest to undue (if I want) and safeguards my Mac from viruses. I always assumed that Mac's are free from viruses however what confused me is that Parallels 6 has Mac and Windows virus security software installed. If Mac's are are free from viruses then why do they make a software protection?

    I have Parallels 4 on my machine with virtual OSs on it. From memory, it included a option to install a version on Kaspersky Internet Security on to the Windows operating system, but it doesn't do anything on the Mac side of things. This of course has probably changed as my version is now two versions old. There is another user that posts a lot on the discussion pages, Thomas Reed, he has posted quite a good explanation of the situation when it comes to Mac virus protection, so maybe have a read of it here http://www.reedcorner.net/thomas/guides/macvirus/
    In my experience it is very rare that personal files, such as documents, photos etc are ever effected by viruses. It's normally the computer operating system files and settings that are attacked. If a windows virus is unleashed onto a mac computer, it just won't work, mainly because the files and folders it is looking for to change simply don't exist, so the virus software fails. that's a very simple explanation, but you get my meaning.

    You posed the question what will I be running that requires Windows; two things a) Lacerte an accounting software and b) ExamSoft or SoftTest which my child needs when taking tests that locks down other software to prevent cheating. They do make a Mac Version however it isn't school supported yet.

    Yes, accounting software is always a bit of a pain, I ran mine in virtual Windows when I first moved across. I took the leap when the next financial year to buy a Mac version and then started the year from scratch. It was a bit painfull at the start, entering new accounts, customers etc, but worth it in the longrun for my business accounts.

    ExamSoft/SoftTest: This is where you will need to test to see if it will work properly in the virtual machine environment. I don't know what it will attempt to lock down or not. They may have information on their support pages regarding this.

    The good thing about setting up Windows with Parallels, that if it doesn't work properly, you can just remove it all off the machine easily and no harm is done in trying. If it doesn't work properly, then yes you may have to go down the Boot Camp path.

    Parts of me just says buy an inexpensive PC and call it a day however I really don't want to support a PC again making the commitment to only to use Mac.


    I think you will find that I can all be achieved on the Mac without having to worry about the PC side of things.
  • Butch2000 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Hey guys, hopefully I can get some advice from someone who knows how this whole process works.

    I've also been trying to decide on how to install Windows on my Mac, either Boot Camp or Parallels. From tutorials I've read, Boot Camp can get a little "messy"/technical, whereas Parallels is a considerably "cleaner"/easier install. I'm wanting to install Windows XP to play a few older PC-only games I have (Command & Conquer, Starcraft 1) and I wasn't sure which method would be better for me.

    Edit: Starcraft 1 runs on Macs, but I wasn't able to get it running with the latest version of Snow Leopard, despite multiple attempts at multiple methods of installation.

    Judging from this discussion, it looks like Boot Camp would be the preferred method, since it would allow for more RAM, etc., so the games will run as smooth as possible. Since Boot Camp would also save me the ~$80 I would spend on Parallels, is it the way I should go?

    Just to clarify, I would only be installing XP to play games; for anything else, I would be rebooting in Snow Leopard (i.e. internet, apps, etc.). Answers are greatly appreciated - I've been mulling over this decision for months!

    Message was edited by: Butch2000
  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,880 points)
    If you have your own question, people will not find it here, in someone else's thread, or in a discussion area that doesn't address Windows on Mac or Boot Camp. Start your own.

    http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=237

    I think you know enough and don't need someone to confirm to 'just do it.'

    http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp