Flash alternative

World population what 7 billion and NZ population = 4 million.

It may be big for NZ but it's not a priority right now. And Steve Jobs said it would never be so, so let's get NZ into the 20th Century and ditch Flash?

There are plenty of more compatible streaming methods out there.

Yes, I did mean 20th Century 🙂

Flash dominates the world--so your focusing in on NZ makes no sense

Even so, it's "dominating" less and less throughout the world. HTML5 is the wave of the future. Out of curiosity, what compels New Zealanders to access only NZ based websites?

The Skyfire web browser linked above will allow (albeit slowly) accessing video and audio stream Flash content (not interactive content or games).

Flash is a big part of the web and won't go anywhere no matter what Steve Jobs wants it to be and no HTML5 will come even close to Flash popularity at least for the next couple years or even longer. I wish Apple learns on its mistakes, especially when the company almost went under because of its somewhat hardline politics in the past, and stops putting corporate bickering over its users' preferences.

I really like my iPhone and I would've gotten myself an iPad ... only if they supported Flash. How difficult is it to put one on them? It's all about politics and what Apple and Adobe could not agree on....

If you ever tried Flash on the mobile devices that do "support" it, you'll quickly understand why Jobs decided to nix it for the iOS.

http://blog.laptopmag.com/mobile-flash-fail-weak-android-player-proves-jobs-righ t#axzz16eBq75fS

modular747 wrote:
If you ever tried Flash on the mobile devices that do "support" it, you'll quickly understand why Jobs decided to nix it for the iOS.

Obviously not all sites will work smoothly since Flash was not designed for touch-screens in mind, but at least makers of those smart phones try to accommodate what their users want and don't just say, "No. Trust me! It's bad." It's sad to see that guys at Apple invent so much in the mobile world these days, only to lose to their competitors because of some small silly thing.


BTW, did you read people's comments to that article you posted above?

BTW, did you read people's comments to that article you posted above?

No, I have no interest in the "opinions" that get posted, particularly the predictable flood of Adobe plants (as there are here periodically).

Instead, I actually used a couple of Android phones myself, pretty much confirming what was in the blog. A fair number of videos were smooth, but far too many were sluggish and blocky. Interactive sites were variable as well, with my bank's site not working at all.

I think the best thing for the web use on a mobile devices is come up with a version that have some sort of flash play by it's own ( as something different from playing flash on a regular pc ) lets say as a standard flash player for the mobile environment, As i do believe that Adobe tried doing that already, Put the point is, Not all mob devices are the same in reaching the web content, Some will offer the real experience you find in a real pc ( iPhone) and some will have it's own experience ( Android, windows mobile,...), So the bottom line is, As long there is a diversity in reaching the web in a different way through all these devices, The flash play equally on all of them will be a hard target.

Apple isn't always right, but they have been right much more often than wrong as a leader, not a follower. Much easier to be a follower. For the most part, Apple skates to where the puck will be. First with a mouse and with a GUI on a marketed scale. First to remove the floppy disk drive from all their computers replacing it with a CD drive - skating to where the puck was going to be years before the PC box assemblers copied and followed suit, which brought the same type of responses by the Apple faithful at the time regarding "how could Apple do this" and "what a mistake" blah, blah, blah, blah. We know who was right there way ahead of the curve and there are other examples. There are some non-favorable examples as well but they have been right much more often than wrong.

This link includes some valid technical reasons.

http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/appleadobeflash

At the end of the day, not supporting flash has not hurt sales much with well over 100 million iOS devices sold to date.

Just like to add my 2 cents from mobile devices using flash and my experience.
We have 3 cell phones in our house, all iPhones now, but before we had a motorols using android and 2 htc windows mobile phones. Now although flash worked on these phones it would make the whole device sluggish and most times had to restart bc the phone would become unusable if not they would freeze. Not worth it to us. It like giving paper socks to someone stuck In the arctics cold weather boo to flash on mobile devices!

MoKu1 wrote:
What is the alternative to flash player on iPhone? A lot of websites in NZ use this platform but it is not compatible with iPhone. Even my work website uses flash player to allow people to listen to our online radio streaming, but You cannot access this due to the incompatibility if you have an iPhone or iPod touch. I love my iPhone but this flash topic is frustrating and limiting in NZ

This subject has been beaten to death in these forums over the past 3 years, and thus far nothing new has been contributed to this thread. Just the same old arguments on all sides. Why don't we just stop repeating old news and let the thread die?

Hi Graham - What other compatible streaming methods are you thinking of? Our company produces 3D jewelry animations, and until now we've been delivering them in flash for our customers to embed in websites - to avoid compatibility issues.

Now they are all panicky that mobile users can't see the 3D flash movies...

Ronda Kay wrote:
...Our company produces ... animations ... delivering them in flash ... embed in websites...

Today's html permits to embed even MP4 videos, without the need to use flash at the scope. If you want target iPhone (or iPad), you can deliver them that way. It is very common to websites deliver content based on the nature of the client device.

Security wise, flash is something like a strainer (IMHO), it seems reasonable don't want include that technology on a device.