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Upgrading iMac G3 to Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar)

Hi - I bought an iMac G3 on eBay in January, with plans to upgrade it later. It's now that time, and I've decided to upgrade the HDD, RAM, optical drive and OS. I understand that it is possible to upgrade to Mac OS X from Classic OS 9, however, my machine came with a variant of Linux on it, which I've just worked with for the past 11 months. I've purchased a Mac OS X 10.2 CD - is it possible to just put this into the CD drive, boot from CD, and install, or are there other things I must do?

The iMac I have only came on its own, with a power cable - no CDs or peripherals (as I expected since it is quite old). However, I feel Mac OS X would be better for this machine. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

PS - Here are my current system specs:

Processor - PPC 350MHz
Main Memory - 192MB
Hard Drive - 7GB
Variant - Indigo Slot Loading

iMac G3, Other OS, 350MHz, 192MB RAM, 7GB HDD

Posted on Dec 4, 2010 7:45 AM

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Posted on Dec 4, 2010 9:57 AM

Welcome to Apple Discussions!

You don't need much. However, these are the things I see as possible needs:

1) The install disk must be a full retail install disk (white with a big "X" in jungle-cat pattern). The gray system install/restore disks that shipped with another model of Mac won't do.

2) You probably need for RAM even for Jaguar to get decent performance. It sounds like you have a 128MB stick in one slot and a 64MB in the other. I'd pull the 64 and install a 256MB in its place. This RAM is what you need:

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/100SD256328/

(I'm pretty sure that firm ships to the British Isles, but I know RAM seems dreadfully more expensive and harder to find in the UK. Crucial.uk is another possibility)

Don't try for RAM at an electronics superstore or office supply house. They tend to look at you funny when you say "Mac." And "just any" PC100 RAM will not work. That's why I but all my Mac RAM online and from only two trusted vendors; the site I linked is one of them.

3) The Install disk probably does not include a workable copy of OS9. IF you do the best install--erase, reformat, install--you'll not have OS9 available.

Now for the potential "gotchas"

A) The 7GB hard drive is just barely big enough for OSX and few simple apps. No room for big folders of music and pics. When you install Jag, select the optional installs and choose NOT to install any printer support or foreign language support. That can keep the total system footprint to around 2G.

B) Decent browser support for Jaguar is almost non-existent. I doubt any single one will view all the pages out there. The heavy reliance on Flash animation will make most sites very sluggish. Don't expect much unless you find sites with simple coding. You will find a lot of sites that simply defy Jaguar browsers.

I'd try Camino for a browser. The last version that ran under Jaguar is here:

http://caminobrowser.org/releases/1.0.6/

C) I believe that a full retail install disk for Jaguar installs 10.2.3. For some older Macs, teh upgrade path to the final version (10.2.8) was wonky if you tried just doing the 10.2.8 Combo updater. The Path that worked was to do the stand-alone updater to 10.4, then the combo ti 10.2.6, and then the combo to 10.2.8. May not affect the iMac G3 but be aware of that mudhole.

D) You may need a Mac keyboard. Some of the startup key combos for installation and troubleshooting are not supported on some third-party boards.

Be aware that many people--including me--think that Mac OSX did not fully come of age until Panther 10.3. If you can find a full retail install disk for Panther, I'd feel better. And increasing the RAM to 396MB is more important.

The most important thing is to check back here often. There are people here who probably know more about the care and feeding of older Macs that anyone.
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Dec 4, 2010 9:57 AM in response to donaldmartin

Welcome to Apple Discussions!

You don't need much. However, these are the things I see as possible needs:

1) The install disk must be a full retail install disk (white with a big "X" in jungle-cat pattern). The gray system install/restore disks that shipped with another model of Mac won't do.

2) You probably need for RAM even for Jaguar to get decent performance. It sounds like you have a 128MB stick in one slot and a 64MB in the other. I'd pull the 64 and install a 256MB in its place. This RAM is what you need:

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/100SD256328/

(I'm pretty sure that firm ships to the British Isles, but I know RAM seems dreadfully more expensive and harder to find in the UK. Crucial.uk is another possibility)

Don't try for RAM at an electronics superstore or office supply house. They tend to look at you funny when you say "Mac." And "just any" PC100 RAM will not work. That's why I but all my Mac RAM online and from only two trusted vendors; the site I linked is one of them.

3) The Install disk probably does not include a workable copy of OS9. IF you do the best install--erase, reformat, install--you'll not have OS9 available.

Now for the potential "gotchas"

A) The 7GB hard drive is just barely big enough for OSX and few simple apps. No room for big folders of music and pics. When you install Jag, select the optional installs and choose NOT to install any printer support or foreign language support. That can keep the total system footprint to around 2G.

B) Decent browser support for Jaguar is almost non-existent. I doubt any single one will view all the pages out there. The heavy reliance on Flash animation will make most sites very sluggish. Don't expect much unless you find sites with simple coding. You will find a lot of sites that simply defy Jaguar browsers.

I'd try Camino for a browser. The last version that ran under Jaguar is here:

http://caminobrowser.org/releases/1.0.6/

C) I believe that a full retail install disk for Jaguar installs 10.2.3. For some older Macs, teh upgrade path to the final version (10.2.8) was wonky if you tried just doing the 10.2.8 Combo updater. The Path that worked was to do the stand-alone updater to 10.4, then the combo ti 10.2.6, and then the combo to 10.2.8. May not affect the iMac G3 but be aware of that mudhole.

D) You may need a Mac keyboard. Some of the startup key combos for installation and troubleshooting are not supported on some third-party boards.

Be aware that many people--including me--think that Mac OSX did not fully come of age until Panther 10.3. If you can find a full retail install disk for Panther, I'd feel better. And increasing the RAM to 396MB is more important.

The most important thing is to check back here often. There are people here who probably know more about the care and feeding of older Macs that anyone.

Dec 4, 2010 2:32 PM in response to donaldmartin

Aacckk!

Forgot to mention a very important, mandatory thing: UPDATE THE FIRMWARE BEFORE INSTALLING OSX

This means you MUST install OS9 because the firmware can only be updated from OS9. The firmware must be at 4.1.9 for OSX to install without turing the computer into a paperweight. See this:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3036?viewlocale=en_US

before proceeding.

Jan 2, 2011 11:13 AM in response to Allan Jones

You may use Open Firmware to find out the level of the firmware.

What is firmware?
The firmware software receives control when you poweron your machine. It does some hardware testing and some hardware configuration then passes control to your version of Mac OS. It reside on a PROM ( program read only memory ) chip on the logic board.


Open Firmware, boot into Open Firmware.
Power on your iMac while holding down command option+of


The first output line contains the firmware level. Mine reads:
Apple PowerMac4,1 4.1.9f1 BootRom built on 09/14/01 at 13.18.04
Copyright 1994-2001 Apple Computer Inc.

On my machine, I have 4.1.9f1.

What firmware do you need?
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117





The linux folks recommend upgrading the firmware before installing Linux on a slot loading iMac g3. Tiger requires Firewire, so you will have to play around to get the installation to work.

Jan 2, 2011 10:15 PM in response to rccharles

Fair enough; not having FW does complicate things for installing tiger. You'll need access to a newer Tiger-supported PPC mac

-Remove HD
-Install it in a supported powermac or FW/USB enclosure
-Install tiger onto it
-Reinstall in your G3

You can probably do it without xpostfacto; I've done it on a Lime 400dv and am writing this on a graphite 600 (which i did with a friend's G4 dual 533)

But well worth it; Tiger gets you access to current versions of Safari.

Upgrading iMac G3 to Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar)

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