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Greg Vrchoticky Level 3 Level 3 (615 points)
What gives? I can see iTunes Extra on my Apple TV ONE, but not on Apple TV 2???

PowerMac G5/AppleTV/iPhone 3GS, Mac OS X (10.5.7), 2 ghz/4 gb of RAM
  • TheOneAndOnly BiGMaC Level 1 Level 1 (95 points)
    If you buy the movie on your computer and there are iTunes extras they will download to you computer's iTunes with the same name as the movie........ I never saw iTunes extras with a rental.
  • capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)
    iTunes Extras are incorporated into a digital file that is a companion file for the actual media file you purchase. The only documentation that appears in Apple's support section is for iTunes Extras on the 1st generation ATV.

    Since the ATV2 is a streaming-only device, it's possible iTunes Extras doesn't work because the Extras file needs to be stored locally rather than remotely (in other words, can't be streamed). The ATV1 can receive the Extras file during a sync, thus the file is present on its hard drive (stored locally), but the ATV2 doesn't have that capability.
  • TheOneAndOnly BiGMaC Level 1 Level 1 (95 points)
    I agree with capaho's thoughts, but the extras are still present in your iTunes library if they come with the movie purchase i am looking at the inceptions files now in iTunes on my Mac Pro and extras are there........ It is interesting that only one icon appears in coverflow view, so it is possible that these files won't stream. My point is that you still have them. A work around could be to use Quicktime to record them off your Mac screen and then convert to M4v using Handbrake (free) then put in the iTunes library (drag and drop) and viola' you have them to stream.
  • capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)
    A work around could be to use Quicktime to record them off your Mac screen and then convert to M4v using Handbrake (free) then put in the iTunes library (drag and drop) and viola' you have them to stream.


    That wouldn't be particularly useful for interactive digital content such as the DVD-like menu included with movies. All you would have is a non-functional video image of the menu.
  • newagemac Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
    It was reported that Apple's Steve Jobs said that iTunes Extras and iTunes LPs would be coming to the second generation Apple TV. Unfortunately no time frame was given.
  • Winston Churchill Level 10 Level 10 (87,460 points)
    It's also clearly stated on the iTMS that extras only work on iTunes.
  • capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)
    It was reported that Apple's Steve Jobs said that iTunes Extras and iTunes LPs would be coming to the second generation Apple TV.


    I expect that will happen in a future update of both iTunes and iOS, but it's anyone's guess as to how long it will take to update the code for both in order to make it possible to remotely control iTunes Extras from an ATV.
  • Winston Churchill Level 10 Level 10 (87,460 points)
    If extras via the first gen device is anything to go by, I think they should give it a miss.

    Some of the extras files get close to a Gb and unlike a movie where you generally start at the beginning and let it play through, extras use will likely require access to different parts of the extras file on demand. I can't see this working very well with a streaming only device.
  • capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)
    If extras via the first gen device is anything to go by, I think they should give it a miss.


    The ATV1 and ATV2 are fundamentally different, so the comparison is irrelevant. It's a matter of tweaking the iTunes and iOS code to get iTunes Extras working with the ATV2.
  • puggsly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    This theory doesn't really hold water because the AppleTV 1 could stream just like the current AppleTV 2. You didn't have to sync a movie with iTunes extra to your AppleTV before playing the content. And if it moved this data locally in the background, AppleTV 2 has 8GB of storage to do the same thing.

    AppleTV 2 needs an update to bring back both Extra's support and purchases. Before you get all crazy about not having a drive to support purchases. My phone supports purchases. I just have to make sure there is space.

    Lack of purchase ability is probably Apple's way to pressure TV stations to get on board with rentals, but it is ******* some loyal users off!
  • Kevin Becquet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    This is complete B.S. !!!!! The Apple tv 2 has been out for months now and I can't view content that I bought FROM APPLE! You can't make your own files work with your own hardware??? FIX THIS!!
  • TheDuck1971 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @capaho I had a 1st Gen Apple TV. I had it set up as only a streaming device. iTunes extras played perfectly fine on it. I would have though Apple would have addressed this by now.

  • Alley_Cat Level 6 Level 6 (18,640 points)

    It's either by design or sloth that they've left this feature (and others) out, I agree that it's a case of incorporating/porting the relevant code to the new platform - the ATV2 hardware is more capable than ATV1 and should cope at least as well or better than ATV1 with iTunes Extras/LP.

     

    Frankly the logical place for iTunes Extras/LP is the TV and this seems a bizarre omission - I think it may be they were never the success Apple anticipated and that they may not be given much investment in the future.

     

    To be honest, if the extras are free I'll have them but I rarely watch DVD/BluRay extras and maybe that's the majority behaviour.  Perhaps better if they were optional or on-demand downloads for qualifying movies - would save everyone's storage and/or bandwidth requirements.

     

    AC

  • Alley_Cat Level 6 Level 6 (18,640 points)

    Winston Churchill wrote:


    Some of the extras files get close to a Gb and unlike a movie where you generally start at the beginning and let it play through, extras use will likely require access to different parts of the extras file on demand. I can't see this working very well with a streaming only device.

    Buffering and chapter navigation of streamed media across the LAN is considerably faster on AppleTV2 than ATV1, so I think it would work fine by streaming - the navigational menus and associated media files, just like on DVD will be quite small - not much difference in hardware demands selecting/playing a feature/featurette from these compared to say selecting content in a genre or other grouping of video files.  Any featurette should be able to start as quickly as choosing an individual TV episode or individual movie by streaming from local storage, and the menu could just stay on screen until the featurette started. 

     

    The menu for Extras/LP is after all nothing that special, it is just a rich menu, and this is described by HTML/XML/javascript or similar markup/scripting and associated media files.  Just requires the relevant code to render the menu and most of this should be available in the iOS WebKit implementations for Safari.

     

    It just requires some enthusiasm on Apple's part to implement these features.

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