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iPhoto as Library and Adobe Elements Organizer as download client

I wanted to use Adobe Elements 9 Organizer as the download client as I can actually see image files saved and grouped by folders and iPhoto as library and creative authoring.

Will using iPhoto to create library from Pictures Folder (those saved by Elements Organizer) duplicate the photos that are already in that folder? I kind think that iPhoto will copy those photos into its own. I worry about duplicating the JPEG files in my Pictures Folder.

Thanks.

13" MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Unibody, Mac OS X (10.6.5), iPhone 4 (iOS 4.2.1)

Posted on Dec 9, 2010 4:36 PM

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Posted on Dec 9, 2010 5:11 PM

I wanted to use Adobe Elements 9 Organizer as the download client as I can actually see image files saved and grouped by folders and iPhoto as library and creative authoring.

Will using iPhoto to create library from Pictures Folder (those saved by Elements Organizer) duplicate the photos that are already in that folder? I kind think that iPhoto will copy those photos into its own. I worry about duplicating the JPEG files in my Pictures Folder.



My suggestion is that you choose a horse and ride it - if you like managing files then use PSE and the finder and do what you want - lots of people do

On the other hand if you want a database manager to manage photos and to learn how it works then use iPhoto including using PSE as the external editor for iPhoto - the two approaches really will not work well together

You can set iPhoto up to not copy your photos and to point to them - this is extremely problematic and requires that the path to the photos never changes - which is difficult and makes upgrading or repairing hardware much more difficult. Plus you now have two libraries to deal with - one of the originals manages by the finder and PSE where nothing you change in PSE is reflected in iPhoto - a second one in iPhoto where nothing you do in iPhoto is reflected in your PSE library - it is just not a good way to operate - pick one or the other and use it

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Dec 9, 2010 5:11 PM in response to joselskipper

I wanted to use Adobe Elements 9 Organizer as the download client as I can actually see image files saved and grouped by folders and iPhoto as library and creative authoring.

Will using iPhoto to create library from Pictures Folder (those saved by Elements Organizer) duplicate the photos that are already in that folder? I kind think that iPhoto will copy those photos into its own. I worry about duplicating the JPEG files in my Pictures Folder.



My suggestion is that you choose a horse and ride it - if you like managing files then use PSE and the finder and do what you want - lots of people do

On the other hand if you want a database manager to manage photos and to learn how it works then use iPhoto including using PSE as the external editor for iPhoto - the two approaches really will not work well together

You can set iPhoto up to not copy your photos and to point to them - this is extremely problematic and requires that the path to the photos never changes - which is difficult and makes upgrading or repairing hardware much more difficult. Plus you now have two libraries to deal with - one of the originals manages by the finder and PSE where nothing you change in PSE is reflected in iPhoto - a second one in iPhoto where nothing you do in iPhoto is reflected in your PSE library - it is just not a good way to operate - pick one or the other and use it

LN

Dec 10, 2010 11:08 AM in response to joselskipper

I'm with Larry when he says to pick one horse and ride it. This can get quite confusing very quickly.

To answer your specific question:

Will using iPhoto to create library from Pictures Folder (those saved by Elements Organizer) duplicate the photos that are already in that folder


By default, yes, but you can set iPhoto not to. But note: a: What Happens when you do - for instance, that various versions of the files will not be available except through iPhoto, which will confuse your proposed system, and b: The various caveats to running a Referenced Library.

*How to do it:*

Simply go to iPhoto Menu -> Preferences -> Advanced and uncheck 'Copy Files to the iPhoto Library on Import'.

*What Happens:*

Now iPhoto will not copy the files, but rather simply reference them on your HD. To do this it will create an alias in the Originals Folder that points to your file. It will still create a thumbnail and, if you modify the pics, a Modified version within the iPhoto Library Folder.

*Some things to consider:*

1. Importing and deleting pics are more complex procedures. You have to to put the files where they will be stored before importing them. When you delete them you'll need to remove the files from the HD yourself.
2. You cannot move or rename the files on your system or iPhoto will lose track of them on systems prior to 10.5 and iPhoto 08. Even with the later versions issues can still arise if you move the referenced files to new volumes or between volumes.
3. Most importantly, migrating to a new disk or computer can be much more complex.
4. Because iPhoto has no tools for managing Referenced Files, if, for some reason, the path to the photos changes then you could find yourself resolving aliases for +each photo in the Library+ one by one.

My own opinion:

I've yet to see a good reason to run iPhoto in referenced mode unless you're using two photo organiser

If disk space is an issue, you can run an entire iPhoto Library from an external disk:

1. Quit iPhoto

2. Copy the iPhoto Library as an entity from your Pictures Folder to the External Disk.

3. Hold down the option (or alt) key while launching iPhoto. From the resulting menu select 'Choose Library' and navigate to the new location. From that point on this will be the default location of your library.

4. Test the library and when you're sure all is well, trash the one on your internal HD to free up space.

If you're concerned about accessing the files, There are many, many ways to access your files in iPhoto:

*For Users of 10.5 and later*

You can use any Open / Attach / Browse dialogue. On the left there's a Media heading, your pics can be accessed there. Command-Click for selecting multiple pics.

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You can access the Library from the New Message Window in Mail:

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*For users of 10.4 and later* ...

Many internet sites such as Flickr and SmugMug have plug-ins for accessing the iPhoto Library. If the site you want to use doesn’t then some, one or any of these will also work:

To upload to a site that does not have an iPhoto Export Plug-in the recommended way is to Select the Pic in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export and export the pic to the desktop, then upload from there. After the upload you can trash the pic on the desktop. It's only a copy and your original is safe in iPhoto.

This is also true for emailing with Web-based services. However, if you're using Gmail you can use iPhoto2GMail

If you use Apple's Mail, Entourage, AOL or Eudora you can email from within iPhoto.

If you use a Cocoa-based Browser such as Safari, you can drag the pics from the iPhoto Window to the Attach window in the browser.

*If you want to access the files with iPhoto not running*:

For users of 10.6 and later:
You can download a free Services component from MacOSXAutomation which will give you access to the iPhoto Library from your Services Menu. Using the Services Preference Pane you can even create a keyboard shortcut for it.

For Users of 10.4 and later:
Create a Media Browser using Automator (takes about 10 seconds) or use this free utility Karelia iMedia Browser

Other options include:

1. *Drag and Drop*: Drag a photo from the iPhoto Window to the desktop, there iPhoto will make a full-sized copy of the pic.

2. *File -> Export*: Select the files in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export. The dialogue will give you various options, including altering the format, naming the files and changing the size. Again, producing a copy.

3. *Show File*: Right- (or Control-) Click on a pic and in the resulting dialogue choose 'Show File'. A Finder window will pop open with the file already selected.

*An Alternative*

Set Elements as an External Editor in iPhoto: You can set Photoshop (or any image editor) as an external editor in iPhoto. (Preferences -> General -> Edit Photo: Choose from the Drop Down Menu.) This way, when you double click a pic to edit in iPhoto it will open automatically in Photoshop or your Image Editor, and when you save it it's sent back to iPhoto automatically. This is the only way that edits made in another application will be displayed in iPhoto.

Note that iPhoto sends a copy+ of the file to Photoshop, so when you save be sure to use the Save command, not Save As... If you use Save As then you're creating a new file and iPhoto has no way of knowing about this new file. iPhoto is preserving your original anyway.

Regards

TD

Dec 13, 2010 5:24 PM in response to Yer_Man

Terrence, Larry, Thank you. I think Lightroom 3 is the best for me. iPhoto can't handle RAW files such as my Sigma DP2's X3F RAW files. I got used to seeing images physically organized by folder all under Pictures folder. With iPhoto, there's an artificial feeling that your images are not physically there, unless you "show package contents". I am only after iPhoto's Photobook feature.

Besides Lightroom 3 is 64-bit. PSE 9 and iPhoto are both 32-bit.

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