11 Replies Latest reply: Jan 12, 2011 6:33 AM by turingtest2
CakeSpear Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
Hi, i recently lost my iPod classic(80GB) which i have been using soly as a music player. Luckily i had made a backup before i lost it. I then baught a new iPod classic(160GB) and *transfered my backup to my new iPod through iTunes*. This workded fine, except that *alot of the songs titles have been changed to something like: AYFV, GGVE, YVOB etc* ( i transfered my backed up music directly to my connected iPod, not putting them in the iTunes Library first )

I have about 9000 songs on it, and i dont know how to find many of the songs i like and love. I remember most of my songs by its Tittle rather than Artist or Album. I have a Samsung Galaxy with SoundHound downloaded... but scrolling through 9000 songs to find the 'corrupted' titles and changing them kinda throws me off

Why has this happened? What can i do about it? How can i prevent this from happening in the future? Can i back up my playlists as well?

HP Pavilion, Windows Vista
  • Katrina S. Level 7 Level 7 (24,090 points)
    Not sure exactly what you backed up, but it sounds like you backed up the ipod files and yes, they are listed with those cryptic names & folders.



    Going forward, I suggest backing up the files on your PC instead!



    This article might help you getting the ipod files to look like a real language. Scroll down to the section titled
    'The Brute-Force Approach—Copying your Media Back Manually':
    http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/copying-music-from-ipod-to-co mputer/P1/
  • CakeSpear Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I would like to clarefy and be a bit more specific...

    Once uppon a time, I backed up my music( 9000+ songs ) from my iPod( Classic white 80GB, maybe 2 years old or older ) and put in ontoo an external hard drive for safe keeping. More specifically i put it on a Lacie Networkspace( 1TB ) through my wireless home network. I am a person who loves music a lot and listen to it ALL the time, as so i am 100 percent positive that none of my songs ( more specifically the titiles ) had the format XXXX ( 'capital letter' 'capital letter' 'capital letter' 'capital letter' ).
    The way i backed up my music was by accessing the iPod in harddrive mode or whatever, found the 'hidden' music folder and copy pasted it onto my Lacie drive through Lacie Network Asistant ( which is used to comunicate with the Lacie Networkspace hard drive ).
    I then managed to loose my iPod, it got stolen or destroyed, it relly doesn't matter, point is it was gone. I got money for a new one through my ensurance company and baught a new iPod, classic black( 160GB ).
    So this was good, all i had to do was drag the backup folder intoo iTunes and drop it in my iPods music library ( when it was connected of cource ). I did this and it worked ( amazing! wow! yay!.. I did not sync my iPod and iTunes music folders, i only wanted my music on my iPod, if this makes any difference ). But... Now, a lot of my song titles ( i dont know, about 1/10 or so maybe ) had the format XXXX( 'capital letter' 'capital letter' 'capital letter' 'capital letter' ), which *****.
    As i have already mentioned i listen to music ALL the time and i love music, so although not technically correct, i have in fact lost a lot of my music, i mean how am i supposed to find my songs im missing now? ( its like finding a needle in a haystack ) Like for example "The Party ( diamond nightlife mix )", i know it was there before, but now its probably called ASYJ or something.
    As i have said two times allready, i am a big fan of music and will continu to be so in the distant future, but i would like to feel safe using iTune and my iPod and be able to safely back up my music for safekeeping without any form of loss as my music library will continue to grow bigger and bigger.

    I reefuse to believe that i am the only one who has had this problem. As a music enthusiast and proud user of iTunes and wielder of the iPod i would like to know what happened and why ( refering to the 'corrupted' or lost song titles ), if that cannot be answered i would like to know if i did something wrong, did i back up my songs the wrong way, and if so which way would be the correct way to make music backups with no data loss for my iPod? Could it be some conflic because the iPod i originally made the backup from was too old?

    I also followed the advise from the post above, and again copied my backed up music, but this time to my 'iTunes( 10.1.1 ) libbrary' ( although i usually dont do this ) and not directly to my iPod following the instructions in the link mentioned. The results were EXACTLY the same, the same song titles were corrupted ( more specifically, had the format XXXX = 'capital letter' 'capital letter' 'capital letter' 'capital letter' ).
    I would like and appreciate a definite answer to my problem, thanx.

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  • turingtest2 Level 9 Level 9 (58,200 points)
    Most media files contain some form of tag which records details such as the title, track number, artist. etc. If you import such a file into iTunes then iTunes will read the tag data from it and list the data that it has found. For files which don't have a tag, typically those in .wav format but .mp3 files don't have to have tags, the only information iTunes has when it imports will be the filename.

    Although the tag can record much of the metadata (data about data) of the file, certain information such as ratings, playcounts and playlist membership is stored in a database. There is a database for your local iTunes library and a database on the iPod. Putting the media files onto the iPod in their XXXX.<ext> format *is not enough* for them installed into the iPod's database. Despite your description above, if you were able to restore your iPod backup to a new device, then you must have backed up and then restored the whole drive, not just the Music folder. If you still have the whole image and a compatible device then you can do this again.

    When iTunes places media on an iPod it uses the F00-FXX folders and XXXX.<ext> filenames in a scheme called a hash table. The details aren't important, but it is a way of efficiently relabelling files with much shorter filenames that won't clash with each other. As a by-product it also discourages casual piracy from the iPod's drive since you don't know which file is which.

    If you only have the media files then, as you have seen, the best you can do is import them into iTunes. Those which have tags will be correctly reorganised. Those without will be given their current filenames as their track names and placed in the Unknown Artist\Unknown Album folder. I would suspect that most of these files will be in .wav format in which case you will have to listen to and rename them one at a time. If however there are files in .mp3 or .acc format then you may be able to build tags for them using MusicBrainz Picard Tagger. iTunes won't detect any updates you make with third party tools, but I have a script for that called UpdateTagInfo.

    Given how easy it is for an iPod to be lost, stolen or damaged it should not be relied upon as the only place for your media. It makes much more sense to to maintain your library in iTunes on your computer, then sync that library to the device. Instead of backing up the device, which takes ages each time and limits you to replacing it with an identical device, back up the library.

    *Fast backup for iTunes library (Windows Only)*
    Grab SyncToy 2.1, a free tool from MS. This can be used to copy your entire iTunes library (& other important data folders) onto another hard drive or network share. You can then use SyncToy periodically to synchronise or echo your library to the backup. A preview will show which files need to be updated giving you a chance to spot unexpected changes and during the run only the new or updated files will be copied saving lots of time. And if your media is all organised below the main iTunes folder then you should also be able to open the backup library on any system running the same version of iTunes.

    tt2
  • Katrina S. Level 7 Level 7 (24,090 points)
    +The way i backed up my music was by accessing the iPod in harddrive mode or whatever, found the 'hidden' music folder and copy pasted it onto my Lacie drive through Lacie Network Asistant ( which is used to comunicate with the Lacie Networkspace hard drive ).+

    This is where the 4-letter file names came from. It's how files are stored on ipods in the hidden folders. iPods have done it that way from the start.





    +I reefuse to believe that i am the only one who has had this problem+
    trust me, you're not. If your song tags were not all correct, or if you had data corruption issues, this sort of thing can happen.




    +... again copied my backed up music, but this time to my 'iTunes( 10.1.1 ) libbrary' ...... The results were EXACTLY the same, the same song titles were corrupted+
    That seems normal. Copying an ipod file can't fix the tags.



    +I would like and appreciate a definite answer to my problem, thanx.+
    Just an FYI, this is a user-to-user board. Turingtest2's idea of using a tag fixer program is your best bet.




    Getting back to the first part of your post,
    +More specifically i put it on a Lacie Networkspace( 1TB ) through my wireless home network. I am a person who loves music a lot and listen to it ALL the time, as so i am 100 percent positive that none of my songs ( more specifically the titiles ) had the format XXXX ( 'capital letter' 'capital letter' 'capital letter' 'capital letter' ).+
    How were you listening to it then? If none of them have the odd file names, why not use that copy? I must not be understanding something.
  • CakeSpear Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    "More specifically i put it on a Lacie Networkspace( 1TB ) through my wireless home network. I am a person who loves music a lot and listen to it ALL the time, as so i am 100 percent positive that none of my songs ( more specifically the titiles ) had the format XXXX ( 'capital letter' 'capital letter' 'capital letter' 'capital letter' )."

    I ment that im positive that none of my 9000ish( yes i am ) songs had cryptic song names like AISY or UKOS when using my old iPod, 'before' i lost it.
    When i baught a new one( iPod ) after loosing my old iPod, and transfered the music backed up from my old iPod ontoo my new iPod, alot of songs now had cryptic tittles like UIMD or UVSS.
    Clear? I may have explained myself in a complicated maner before.

    My problem:
    I have 9000+ songs on my iPod. About 2 - 10% ( i cant know exactly for sure ) of my songs have cryptic tittle names consisting of 4 random capital letters, and no Tag info( artist, album, genre ). No matter how i try to sort my music in iTunes ( by tittle, artist, genre etc ) theese 2 - 10% will be scattered more or less randomly amongst my 9000+ songs, which makes my quest to find theese songs and fix them up manually that much harder. Bottom line i got 200 - 1000 songs randomly( mor or less ) scattered among 9000+ songs which i want to find and fix( change title, artist, genre etc ) without having to use the iTunes scrollbar for weeks scouting through all my music

    My ( desired ) solution:
    To be able to group the songs with cryptic song Titles like UHSV or XZDP together, sort them so that they are all neatly underneath eachother, or even gather them all intoo the same playlist, making the job of fixing them all manually that much easier for me.

    The job of skimming through 9000+ songs from the top down, scouting for the 200 - 1000( aprox ) with cryptic tittle names is not a trivial task in my oppinion. I have tried and its tiresome and kinda like running in sand ( along the beach or whatever ), you dont feel your getting very far no matter how hard you run.
  • turingtest2 Level 9 Level 9 (58,200 points)
    I ment that im positive that none of my 9000ish( yes i am ) songs had cryptic song names like AISY or UKOS when using my old iPod, 'before' i lost it.
    When i baught a new one( iPod ) after loosing my old iPod, and transfered the music backed up from my old iPod ontoo my new iPod, alot of songs now had cryptic tittles like UIMD or UVSS.
    Clear? I may have explained myself in a complicated maner before.

    When accessed via the iTunes interface the files would have had various data, like a meaningful track name associated with them, but in the underlying folder structure iTunes ALWAYS gives the actual files the shortened filenames.

    Your non-wav files that were correctly tagged should have retained their information when you recovered them from your iPod. The files with the 4 character names should all have minimal information associated with them other than their name, in particular the Artist and Album fields will both be blank. Creating a smart playlist to gather such items together for repair should be easy enough. In fact even easier just focus on media kind. How about...

    *Kind contains Wav*

    tt2
  • CakeSpear Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Hmmm, thanx for the help Turningtest2! I think im beginning to understand how to go about this...

    I sorted my music by 'Kind' in iTunes, and got about 55 results being .WAV files ( all of them which had cryptic Tittle names, and i fixed them ).
    I then simply sorted my music by Artist, and got loads of those cryptic Titled songs stacked at the very bottom ( about 300 songs ).

    But still there are a noticable number of songs still with the cryptic Title names wich DO have Artist, Album, Genre etc info.

    I can start fixing up the 300, or so, songs i have already stacked, but i would still like to be able to find and group together ALL of the songs with cryptic titles, more specifically those which do have Artist, Album, Genre data attatched to them.

    Im under the impression that its possible to run some sort of script in iTunes maybe? Would it be very hard to make a script which made a playlist containing only the songs having Title name 'conaining only 4 letters'?
  • turingtest2 Level 9 Level 9 (58,200 points)
    No, such a script would be relatively easy... If I can find some time later today I could probably adapt one of my existing scripts.

    tt2
  • turingtest2 Level 9 Level 9 (58,200 points)
    Here it is... CustomSearch.vbs. Select some tracks, or your entire music collection once you've tested it. Double click on the script to run. It will create a playlist called !Results (unless it already exists) and add every track with a four-letter track name to it (unless already in the list). Should be easy enough to modify if you want to search for other criteria that can't be expressed in a Smart Playlist. There should probably be a start-up option to clear the previous search results but I don't have time to add that in just now. Just delete the existing list by hand if you need to.

    tt2
  • CakeSpear Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    WOW, THAT WAS AWESOME!!!
    "767 matched criteria"
    ...
    Hey man, thanx alot, i owe you a bone!
    Out of interest, how did you make that script?

    This was seriously very cool 4 me, i really apreciate it! 5 stars! Bingo, strike and tutchdown and all that
    Unless your a woman, 'your the man TurningTest2!!!'
    But seriously, thank you very much, my problem seems to be solved now.

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  • turingtest2 Level 9 Level 9 (58,200 points)
    CakeSpear wrote:
    WOW, THAT WAS AWESOME!!!
    "767 matched criteria"
    ...
    Hey man, thanx alot, i owe you a bone!
    Out of interest, how did you make that script?

    Just recycled bits of a couple of others I've written. If you're interested in rolling your own you'll need to get hold of a copy of the iTunes SDK and learn a little VBScript. Essentially all the script does is loop through a selection of tracks, adding those with track names of exactly 4 characters to a playlist. It's then all wrapped up in a bit of error checking, some code to make sure it doesn't create duplicate entries in the playlist, a summary dialog and an open software license. You'll find more of my scripts at http://samsoft.org.uk/iTunes/scripts.asp - feel free to explore and adapt them.
    This was seriously very cool 4 me, i really apreciate it! 5 stars! Bingo, strike and tutchdown and all that
    Unless your a woman, 'your the man TurningTest2!!!'
    But seriously, thank you very much, my problem seems to be solved now.

    You're welcome.

    tt2