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I'm having a weird, and persistent problem with Time Machine.

A while ago, Time Machine (on my Time Capsule, 500GB) ran out of space while doing what seemed like an unusually large backup. For some reason it was not deleting old backups, or compressing the archive to create space, or decided it wanted to back up a huge amount of data for no real reason. In the end, after researching on various forums, I decided to wipe it clean and start over.

This worked for a month, then just after new year, it happened again, and I payed close attention to what it was doing. It began backing up data, estimated that there was around 140GB to update, and began. When the progress bar reached 140GB, it then continued backing up. The amount completed, and the amount to backup continued to rise together, ad infinitum, until all the space was used up and the backup failed.

I spent two days trying to sort it out, but each time it began to backup, the same thing happened. I removed my huge iTuned Media Library, thinking that it was trying to back that up again and again. I bought a new 1TB HD, and erased the Time Capsule, reset it, trashed Time Machine prefs, excluded a bunch of big files from the backup, and set it to backup on the new HD. It came up with about 69GB to backup, and completed. This was all achieved via the ethernet connection. This morning, backups continued as normal.

Today I went out, came back, connected via wifi. A backup began for 2.9GB. I thought this was a bit large, but as I'd been playing around with something on iMovie, I assumed it was probably OK.

Now it is happening again. It got to 2.9GB - then continued backing up. It is now at 8.75 and counting.

This makes absolutely no sense. It only happens with my MacBook as far as I can tell, and it is driving me up the wall.

Could there be a conflict with some software? Could it be a system error? I'm running out of things to try to fix it.

MacBook 2.16 Core 2 Duo, Mac OS X (10.6.5)

Posted on Jan 3, 2011 11:41 AM

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Jan 3, 2011 2:49 PM in response to Mark Roberts3

Something extremely similar has just started happening to me. I came back from hol and connected my TM and it started backing up. It showed it was going to backup over 200 Gb, even though the total estimated size in the pref pane was 101 Gb. So I aborted TM.

Then I erased my Time Capsule and started a fresh TM back up. Estimated total size was 101.87Gb.

But after reaching 101Gb it has carried on rising with the amount done and total to do both rising in step. I suspect it is going to the same 200Gb it tried to before, even though the pref pane total is 101Gb.

My plan is to let it go to 200 or wherever it ends up, then use BackupLoupe to see what it has actually done.

Jan 3, 2011 4:54 PM in response to Pondini

Yeah, I tried the full reset already - it worked the first time, then the problem reappeared. I also repaired permissions and ran disk repair, but but there were no problems.

I looked at the Console report during the recent backup, and there was one problem reported copying a Safari .plist which I've now deleted.

In a recent backup, it did the same thing that Mike Boreham noted - backed up a few extra GBs then stopped. I'll keep an eye on it to see what happens now. I just hope it doesn't go into 'infinite backup mode' again.

Jan 4, 2011 12:01 AM in response to Mark Roberts3

I aborted my last attempt as it went well over the 101 Gb backup size again. When I entered TM after aborting it had backed up excluded items like Parallels VMs.

So I threw the book at it before the next attempt. eg:-

Deleted the com.apple.TimeMachine.plist prefs file (again)
Diskwarrior rebuild of drive
Erased Time Capsule (again)
Repaired permissions
Deleted all caches (Snow Leopard Cache Cleaner)

This time the TM backup is the right size and has not backed up the exclusions.

Not a very scientific approach I know, as I don't know which measure was the key one.

I have been using TM in various ways on a number of computers since it first was released, and have never had this problem before.

Hope it doesn't recurr as it seems to for Mark.

Jan 4, 2011 7:23 AM in response to Mike Boreham

I was also wondering if it was backing up items which were supposed to be excluded. If so, it would seem to be an issue with the .prefs for Time Machine. It either doesn't write or read the file correctly.

Mine is working OK now, but I've found that it reverts to misbehaving after a while - which can be anything from a couple of days to a month.

Yesterday, when it happened, I had taken the laptop to my studio, joined the network there, and returned, shutting down the computer both times. I'm going to try something similar today to see if that is what resets the backup to a secretly full one. If so, it could be something to do with the MacBook trying to connect to Time Machine, not finding the drive, and resetting to do a full backup.

We shall see...

Jan 4, 2011 12:45 PM in response to Mike Boreham

Mike, have you tried launching Console, running a search for "backupd", and seeing if there is a file that Time Machine had a problem transferring? This is how I found the Safari .prefs file, which may or may not have been the cause of the problem.

The other thing I did was to exclude the Movies folder, containing all my iMovie files. I noticed that the problem began after I started using iMovie recently. Just a thought.

Jan 4, 2011 1:28 PM in response to Mark Roberts3

Here is an extract from the console covering the last of several normal backups, and ending with when it decided it needed over 200Gb:

04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 17:10:55 com.apple.backupd[15186] Notice Copied 638 files (149 KB) from volume MacBookPro.
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 17:10:57 com.apple.backupd[15186] Notice Starting post-backup thinning
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 17:10:57 com.apple.backupd[15186] Notice No post-back up thinning needed: no expired backups exist
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 17:10:57 com.apple.backupd[15186] Notice Backup completed successfully.
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 17:10:59 com.apple.backupd[15186] Notice Ejected Time Machine disk image.
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 17:11:00 com.apple.backupd[15186] Notice Ejected Time Machine network volume.
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:29:46 com.apple.backupd[1810] Notice Starting standard backup
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:29:46 com.apple.backupd[1810] Error Attempting to mount network destination using URL: afp://Michael%20Boreham@Mike-Time-Capsule.local/Mike%20Time%20Capsule
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:29:55 com.apple.backupd[1810] Error Mounted network destination using URL: afp://Michael%20Boreham@Mike-Time-Capsule.local/Mike%20Time%20Capsule
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:30:03 com.apple.backupd[1810] Notice QUICKCHECK ONLY; FILESYSTEM CLEAN
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:30:05 com.apple.backupd[1810] Notice Disk image /Volumes/Mike Time Capsule/MacBook Pro.sparsebundle mounted at: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:30:05 com.apple.backupd[1810] Notice Backing up to: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:30:09 com.apple.backupd[1810] Error Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: MacBookPro
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:30:09 com.apple.backupd[1810] Error Node requires deep traversal:/ reason:must scan subdirs|new event db|
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:32:38 com.apple.backupd[1810] Notice No pre-backup thinning needed: 234.61 GB requested (including padding), 374.85 GB available

Does this help explain anything?

Thanks

Jan 4, 2011 1:53 PM in response to Mike Boreham

It doesn't explain anything to me, however these two lines appear to indicate something amiss:

04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:30:09 com.apple.backupd1810 Error Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: MacBookPro
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:30:09 com.apple.backupd1810 Error Node requires deep traversal:/ reason:must scan subdirs|new event db|

It would be great if there was someone around here with more knowledge about that kind of message, because it appears to indicate that something is causing it to do a "deep traversal". Although that would seem to be near the end of the backup.

Jan 4, 2011 1:57 PM in response to Mark Roberts3

Mark Roberts3 wrote:
It doesn't explain anything to me, however these two lines appear to indicate something amiss:

04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:30:09 com.apple.backupd1810 Error Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: MacBookPro
04/01/2011 4 Jan 2011 19:30:09 com.apple.backupd1810 Error Node requires deep traversal:/ reason:must scan subdirs|new event db|


Those are normal in some circumstances. See #A6 in [Time Machine - Troubleshooting|http://web.me.com/pondini/Time_Machine/Troubleshooting.html] (or use the link in *User Tips* at the top of this forum). And as noted there, they'll be repeated until a backup completes successfully.

Something in your installation of OSX may be corrupted. I'd suggest downloading and installing the 10.6.5 "combo" update. That's the cleverly-named combination of all the updates to Snow Leopard since it was first released, so installing it should fix anything that's gone wrong since then, such as with one of the normal "point" updates. Info and download available at: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1324 Be sure to do a +Repair Permissions+ via Disk Utility (in your Applications/Utilities folder) afterwards.

If that doesn't help, reinstall OSX from your Snow Leopard Install disc (that won't affect anything else), then apply the "combo" again.

Jan 5, 2011 4:15 AM in response to Pondini

Thanks.

I have gone the extra mile and erased the drive, done a fresh install from the SL disc and updated to 10.6.5 with the combo. I did an import from a clone at the end of the install, so any problems with my data or apps which existed previously may have been imported. I am not sure Time Machine is worth (to me) the hassle of reinstalling everything from scratch. Repaired permissions, deleted the imported com.apple.TimeMachine.pref file.

Erased Time capsule, set up TM with same exclusions.

First and subsequent backups have been correct and normal, so far so good but I have been here before, so now watching and waiting.

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