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  • Jason Sewell1 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    alive2 wrote:
    I also have Little Snitch installed and it tells me of five Storeagent phone homes right when I boot up. Although Activity Monitor shows that the AppStore is not open. So these Phone homes happen even before the app is open!!! Slowing down the boot up.


    That's really strange - Little Snitch doesn't show ANY storeagent warnings for me after log-in. The only storeagent warnings I get are when I start the App Store.

    Are you using a non-standard set of rules (i.e. have you tightened up port access for system services beyond the defaults set by Little Snitch?)
    J
  • Jason Sewell1 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    And added for completeness: When I launch the App Store, I get 3 warnings for Storeagent:

    ax.init.itunes.apple.com port 80
    ax.su.itunes.apple.com port 80
    metrics.sky.com port 80

    But I haven't had any warnings for Storeagent unless the App store is running. What are the 5 that you see with Little Snitch?

    J
  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (26,820 points)
    I've emailed the app store re. the "storeagent" and just got this reply:

    +After reviewing your email, I understand that you are concerned about"StoreAgent" relaying personal information to another source. *StoreAgent is actually a new background service that runs at startup, connecting to several itunes.com domains as well as metrics.apple.com and mechanisms for pushing updates and tracking app store performance.*+

    I've responded with the question on how to permanently disable it.
  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (15,815 points)
    Tom in London wrote:
    I've read somewhere that this thing works the other way too: Apple can call your computer and disable stuff.


    I read somewhere that aliens living at Area 51 call your computer too. Both are about equally plausible: even if you don't trust the firewall in the OS, anybody with a router can block incoming connections as they see fit, not to mention that unless you have a static IP, there is no guarantee that when some mysterious server tries to find you by your IP address, it could connect to somebody else's computer or to none at all instead.

    It's hokum.
  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (15,815 points)
    Ziatron wrote:
    When you install 10.6.6 it adds a new utility than connects to the Apple's "App Store" and pesters you in a similar way to iTunes.


    It doesn't "pester" you, anymore than iTunes does.

    I have found that in the event of some kind of a computer failure having a physical disc from which you can reinstall the software to be of great benefit.


    One of the nicer things about the Mac App Store is that once you have bought an app, it is associated with your Store ID, & you can download it again if necessary, assuming it is still available from the App Store. This is true regardless of the Mac you are using.
  • Jason Sewell1 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Barbara Daniels1 wrote:
    I've emailed the app store re. the "storeagent" and just got this reply:


    But this is where things are weird. I have Little Snitch installed, and I'm not seeing any warning messages for StoreAgent network activity at start-up as others are reporting. The only time I see a warning for Storeagent is when running the AppStore itself. As soon as I quit the AppStore, storeagent subsequently quits in the activity monitor and there are no signs of further network activity in LittleSnitch's network monitor i.e. I'm not seeing any signs of the background storeagent activity that others are reporting here.

    In addition, I'm now on my 4th 10.6.6. install, and I haven't had any slow-downs at log-in which have been described and attributed to storeagent activity in this thread.

    I know this doesn't offer a solution to those who have his problem, but I'm just reporting that I'm not seeing the issues that are being discussed in this thread on my systems here.

    Best wishes,
    J

    Message was edited by: Jason Sewell1
  • Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,705 points)
    It is associated with your Store ID, & you can download it again if necessary, assuming it is still available from the App Store.


    Exactly right, and it won't be "available from the App Store". With a physical CD I can ALWAYS reinstall the software.

    Look at all of the Mac users who pay upwards of $100 for iLife 06, just so they can get a copy of iMovie 06.

    The physical possession of a disc is always my preference. There have been many times when I have needed to reinstall software and the software is no longer available online for any amount of money.
  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (15,815 points)
    Tesselator wrote:
    I don't want ANYTHING running on my machine that I haven't specifically sanctioned!


    Then you should not be running OS X! This whole thing is rather silly: a large part of OS X is "opaque" to begin with, meaning the code is not publicly documented so you have to trust that Apple has not hidden away spyware within it -- including in OS level code that apps like Little Snitch depend on for functionality.

    If Apple wanted to, it could build the mother of all spyware into the OS & you would have no way of knowing it was there or what it was doing. It would be like having a foreign spy as your security chief -- nothing it told you could be trusted.
  • actionmarker Level 4 Level 4 (1,400 points)
    I concur with Jason.

    I don't have little snitch, but setting the Activity Monitor to a startup item so I can see what is running as soon as practical after start up, I see no storeagent process running at all.

    It appears only after I open App Store Application and closes approx 10 seconds after I close the Application

    I do not leave Mac App or ITunes signed in to their stores when I am not using them, the only time I sign in to either of them is when I go to purchase or update something and then I sign out again. not that this should have anything to do with the startup process.

    For the record, Inspector of Open Files and Ports of the App Store process give me the following;

    /
    +/Applications/App Store.app/Contents/MacOS/App Store+
    /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CommerceKit.framework/Versions/A/CommerceKit
    /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreUI.framework/Versions/A/Resources/SArtFile .bin
    /private/var/db/mds/messages/se_SecurityMessages
    /usr/share/icu/icudt40l.dat
    /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Resources/GLRendererFloat .bundle/GLRendererFloat
    /private/var/folders/uB/uBO+lG-zGea1xwMW9Wxn3E+++TI/-Caches-/com.apple.LaunchSer vices-025501.csstore
    /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.fram ework/Versions/A/Resources/Extras2.rsrc
    /System/Library/Fonts/Helvetica.dfont
    /System/Library/Fonts/LucidaGrande.ttc
    +/System/Library/Keyboard Layouts/AppleKeyboardLayouts.bundle/Contents/Resources/AppleKeyboardLayouts-L.d at+
    /System/Library/Caches/com.apple.IntlDataCache.le.kbdx
    /private/var/folders/uB/uBO+lG-zGea1xwMW9Wxn3E+++TI/-Caches-/mds/mdsDirectory.db
    /Library/Keychains/System.keychain
    /Users/######/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
    /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeue.dfont
    /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Resources/GLEngine.bundle /GLEngine
    /System/Library/Extensions/GeForceGLDriver.bundle/Contents/MacOS/libclh.dylib
    /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreUI.framework/Versions/A/Resources/ArtFile. bin
    /System/Library/Extensions/GeForceGLDriver.bundle/Contents/MacOS/GeForceGLDriver
    /usr/lib/dyld
    /private/var/db/dyld/dyldshared_cache_x8664
    /dev/null
    ->0x0b100a2c
    ->0x0b100a2c
    /private/etc/security/audit_control
    +count=1, state=0x2+
    /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.fram ework/Versions/A/Resources/Extras2.rsrc
    /Users/######/Library/Caches/com.apple.appstore/Cache.db
    /Users/######/Library/Caches/com.apple.storeagent/com.apple.storeagent.cache.def ault/Cache.db
    ->0x0b67bf80
    ->0x0b67cc70
    ->0x0b67ae10
    /private/etc/security/audit_class


    And for storeagent

    /
    /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CommerceKit.framework/Versions/A/Resources/sto reagent
    /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CommerceKit.framework/Versions/A/CommerceKit
    /private/var/db/mds/messages/se_SecurityMessages
    /private/var/folders/uB/uBO+lG-zGea1xwMW9Wxn3E+++TI/-Caches-/mds/mdsDirectory.db
    /Users/######/Library/Keychains/login.keychain
    /usr/share/icu/icudt40l.dat
    /private/var/folders/uB/uBO+lG-zGea1xwMW9Wxn3E+++TI/-Caches-/com.apple.LaunchSer vices-025501.csstore
    /Library/Keychains/System.keychain
    /usr/lib/dyld
    /private/var/db/dyld/dyldshared_cache_x8664
    /dev/null
    ->0x0b100e78
    ->0x0b100e78
    /private/etc/security/audit_control
    +count=1, state=0x2+
    ->0x0b67c010
    ->0x0b67cbe0
    ->0x0b67c250
    /Users/######/Library/Caches/storeagent/Cache.db
    /Users/######/Library/Caches/com.apple.storeagent/com.apple.storeagent.cache.def ault/Cache.db
    ->0x0b67abd0
    /private/etc/security/audit_class
  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (15,815 points)
    Robert Newall wrote:
    I have met in the past, situations where my system is checked to see if an application can be installed but that has been AFTER I had expressed an interest in having such application.


    FWIW, there is no particular reason to believe that when the agent "phones home" that it does anything about apps you have not expressed an interest in (by not having installed them on your Mac).

    Also, from looking at the strings file messages in /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CommerceKit.framework/Versions/A/Resources/En glish.lproj/Localizable.strings, it appears that it "phones home" at startup so that it can check for & notify you about updates available for other user accounts.
  • Whitecity Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)
    It can be very confusing that parts of discussions will often disappear with no warning or explanation. At least in this case the fact that an edit was made was admitted to.
  • WZZZ Level 6 Level 6 (12,685 points)
    Barbara Daniels1:I've responded with the question on how to permanently disable it.


    Barbara, I wouldn't hold my breath for a reply any time this century, but in case against all odds you get one, I'd like to know what it is.
  • Barney-15E Level 8 Level 8 (41,400 points)
    Exactly right, and it won't be "available from the App Store". With a physical CD I can ALWAYS reinstall the software.

    Then spend a nickel and burn it to a CD after you download it.
  • babowa Level 7 Level 7 (26,820 points)
    Doing that would probably violate the terms in the brand new App Store SLA which only allows for direct downloads. I am actually on hold right this moment with Applecare; I had two questions relating to this - a) how to disable the StoreAgent app and b) how to interpret the SLA for App Store purchases which seems to partially be in conflict with the regular SLA (using Aperture 3 as an example).

    I'm waiting for a senior advisor for a); the first tier advisor will be contacting their legal team reagrding b).
  • actionmarker Level 4 Level 4 (1,400 points)
    You can backup the Apps you download as discribed in this article.

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4482

    Quote:
    Summary
    +The Mac App Store remembers all apps you purchase with your account. Apps you purchase and install from Mac App Store can also be copied to an external hard drive, USB Flash Drive, CD/DVD, or backed up via Time Machine.+
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