What the heck? I wanna uninstall this junk!

gumsie wrote:

The market, and that includes Apple, do give you a choice. Buy a Dell. See the thing about living in the the land of the free is just that. Everybody else is free to do things you don't agree with and that includes corporations.

You really believe what you write? You think you have a choice? In germany we have many mobile contractors but only 4 carriers. At least we can switch between those and the sub-contractors as much as we like but is that really a lot of choice? In the US of A the situation is much worse. If you buy a phone often you can't even use it with all of the carriers. Sorry Sir, but the US model is a complete fail. It is dictated by very few companies and what you guys pay for an SMS is ridiculous. I wonder why US citizens accept this? Because they get told the same old lie that they'd have the choice? This is simply not true.

Whichever market you'll look at you'll only find very few players. And privacy wise they are all the same. Now explain to me where you see ANY choice.

The myth of the land of the free is just that - a myth.

Even corporations are not free to do anything. E.g. what facebook does is often illegal under german law. And politics are just starting to become aware of all those privacy issues. Not only with Facebook, but as you see in this thread also Apple. And again: talking about choice: Why wouldn't Apple give customers a choice to delete the Mac AppStore? Yes, because they want to make money and force people into their closed system.

But yet again, that might even be illegal in germany. Not being able to remove software (Android does this too) is one of the worst marketing concepts ever. All that is generated is frustrated customers that have to deal with badly programmed software they don't even wanna use.

gumsie wrote:

We have a choice to buy a Mac and the software on it. We don't have a choice to be governed by the laws of the land.

You don't want it, don't buy it.

This sir, is hardcore BS. Even the laws that are made by politicians might be unconstitutional. The whole thing is a little more complex as you see it. "Don't want - don't buy". You hopefully understand that a system consists of components - may those be hardware or software. And arguing about software behaviour is what this forum is here for, right? So I don't get what you are trying to say. I really don't.

gumsie wrote:

Have a look at Apples Privacy Policy , then write them an email asking whether storeagent communications adhere to them if you must.

Then leave feedback telling them about how much you disagree with the behaviour, (but are nevertheless still using it?).

You are aware that someone in this thread did just that? And never heard back from Apple? This is completely naive. I disagree and I am NOT using the Mac AppStore. I have not spent a single cent in this sh*tty system. And have never opened it and will never open it. What I did was uninstall it via CleanMyMac. Completely. But having to use such a tool at all, might again be illegal in some countries. So I think it's well worth it mentioning this fact and also through this thread raising awareness of some users who are actually able to think and not believe the lie of "you have the choice" "you don't have to buy it".

Start thinking, right?

What up with this?

Apple, as it stands now (early September 2011) has not provided any method to get rid of this flawed MacAppStore which uses my bandwith and sends out informations of which I don't know what it is.

@KJK555 is your tool 10.7 compatible? What other methods do exist, to completely remove this sh*tty software? And the menu entry, yes please.

No one knows what that information is, since the data transfere is encrypted (which is a good thing I guess?!?).

At least no third party gets knowledge of your private information, right? Another user in this thread wrote, that he sent a letter to Apple but never received any reply.

Apple is getting worse and worse in this area. They don't care about your privacy - the opposite is true they want all your data. Ranging from your calendar information to your address book - ideally with realtionship included.

Guess why they added this feature and guess why they try to convince people to move all of this to the cloud?

To everyone looking forward to iCloud: I know it's nice to have but be aware that your data will be in the hands of people you do not know. And you don't know what is done with that data and if it is handed over to US agencies or not. You loose total control of the most private details of your personal life. Stasi in DDR had less knowledge about it's people than Google and Apple have nowadays. Think about that!

Moving back to 10.6 is not an option for several reasons. Since I block all AppStore communication with LittleSnitch I have no idea of the amount of data that is transferred.

gumsie wrote:

Another user in this thread wrote, that he sent a letter to Apple but never received any reply.

It's not good but I can't say I'm surprised, a lot of major companies are like that.

Which doesn't make it any better. I think this arrogance, big companies seem to share is very frustrating for a consumer and not helpful at all. I see this very critical.

gumsie wrote:

Apple is getting worse and worse in this area. They don't care about your privacy - the opposite is true they want all your data. Ranging from your calendar information to your address book - ideally with realtionship included.

I wouldn't single out Apple. As far as not caring about privacy I don't agree. People near the bottom of the food chain in those companies may not but the people who use your details as part of their business model to squeeze every last cent out of you certainly do. The more they know about your habits that other companies don't, the more potential there is to encourage you to spend.

I am not singleing Apple out. But this is an Apple forum so I'm talking about apple. I totally agree with what you write.

gumsie wrote:

iCloud is nothing new. Lots of companies do similar things. I'll pass on it thanks.

Sure. Again, I don't want to exclude those other services from my privacy concerns. They of course apply to those services just the same.

Sure Larry,

that's one of the fundamental concerns that this thread deals with. And Apple does not tell you what they send in those encrypted file transferes. Might be your address-book or whatever, you simply can't know. That *****.

Don't spend money on the Mac AppStore is only a partly solution to the problem but an important step. I have not spent a single cent in this closed source police state environment. I don't even want it on my computer, but Apple does not give me a choice. Don't use it. The less profit they make the earlier we'll receive an option to disable it.

Remember how intrusive Ping in iTunes was, when it first came out? Then because community complains were so bad, they added an option to hide it entirely.

The story is always the same: You bring on a new service you want to make money with. You have the weirdest restrictions ect and if noone complains - fine. Everything stays as it is. If someone complains you can still lower the restrictions - but probably be still above the level you had initially planned, due to the fact that you started with hardcore restrictions.

You can watch this everywhere. In the law making process, in politics with public video cameras and with iTunes or the Mac AppStore.

Yeay, America land of the free - not!

You seem to miss the hole point of my reply and keep repeating yourself. I'm very much aware of the face that Apple is a business and all they care about is making money and their stock price. I'm not blind.

BUT this is a user forum, right? And a forum is a place for debates and jsut becaus I don't like a component does not mean I can't use the system. But I will express my concerns (which I did) and ask the company many questions also those might be annoying and not easy to answer I will still ask those. And telling me to buy a dell notebook is not constructive and completely off topic.

This is what you can't seem to understand. Not using computers and phones is a choice, yes. But if you want to change something about things you don't like (e.g. the MAS), you'll most likely will have to rely on technology to get the biggest impact. If you do this using a dell or an apple computer does not matter that much. That's right. But raising your voice and standing for your believs is what counts and I have a feeling that this has become somehow uncool. It's much easier to say: go buy something else. But that also shows the level of refelctiveness is rather shallow, imo.

sudo launchctl unload -w /System/Library/LaunchAgents/com.apple.storeagent.plist

sudo launchctl load -w path/to/process.plist