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Antivirus for MAC ?

Hello everybody!

I'm new and this is my second post, wrote in order to learn more about MAC, and in this case about my new MacBook Air 13.
Well, actually I'm wondering if MAC needs Antivirus software too..
Also on Apple's site it's recommended that you install antivirus software.
And so, my questions is: does Mac really need antivirus software, and which is the best..?
I think you people certainly more experienced than me can help me.
Thanks a lot.

Alberto R Air

MacBook Air 13, Mac OS X (10.6.6)

Posted on Jan 13, 2011 5:11 AM

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Feb 5, 2011 1:50 PM in response to Alberto R Air

Of course you should get anti-virus for your Mac. It's safer. The cost of anti-virus is largely insignificant and the cost if your computer gets infected can be very significant (in terms of both time to fix and loss of data). There is technically nothing about OSX that makes it less vulnerable. The biggest detractor at this time is just market share. Viruses don't typically target 5% of the market.

If you surf the web responsibly and you don't open email from people you don't know (or suspicious email from people you do know). . .you will be fine without it.

Feb 5, 2011 2:29 PM in response to DrSagacity

It's safer.


A completely false statement. Exactly what would you be safer against?

The cost of anti-virus is largely insignificant and the cost if your computer gets infected can be very significant (in terms of both time to fix and loss of data).


Again, infected by what? There are NO viruses which can affect OS X.

Viruses don't typically target 5% of the market.


That statement has been debunked by numerous security experts. Viruses are still non existent in OS X mainly because it's almost impossible to get them to work, as by default, UNIX allows nothing. Therefore, they can't work unnoticed in the background as they do in Windows.

Feb 5, 2011 2:43 PM in response to DrSagacity

There is technically nothing about OSX that makes it less vulnerable.

Yes, there is something technically different between unix and windows. Windows, by default, allows everyone access to everything. They have to go in after the fact and close it down by denying permission.
Unix, designed from the beginning to operate on a network, does not give anybody access to anything by default (except root which is disabled by default on Mac OS X). Specific access permission must be granted to a user instead of denying access. It is much harder to plug all the holes left behind when you forget to deny access than it is to accidentally allow access.

Mac OS 9 had a much smaller market share than Mac OS X and it had viruses. Mac OS X has none.
Linux has a smaller market share than Mac OS X, and it has viruses. Mac OS X has none.
It's not market share. It's just that Windows is such an easy target.

Feb 5, 2011 3:03 PM in response to Barney-15E

Yep. Tell that to my father-in-law who just spammed all of us from his MBP. I am sure that couldn't have happened. . .no way he could have gotten that virus. Except, he did! Most people do not care to distinguish between an exploit on the software you are running (like an email client) and the OS.

This isn't a conversation about Windows, the person asked about his MBA. Certainly in the NT4 and XP days you are exactly right that Microsoft opened themselves up to more virus problems. That really hasn't been a problem for a long time. Especially since every personal computer running Windows can download security essentials for free. Again, I think that's off topic.

My point was only that it's pretty naive to go without anti-virus and to the person who asked, I would say following the recommendation from Apple is a good idea.

Feb 5, 2011 3:06 PM in response to DrSagacity

DrSagacity wrote:
Of course you should get anti-virus for your Mac.


Not necessarily. It depends on what you are doing, and whether or not you have concerns about malware which affect other platforms. Note that 99.4% of all known malware is for the Windows platform.

It's safer.


No. Several antivirus system, for both Mac and Windows (Norton and McAffee, I'm looking at you) are more dangerous than many types of malware. In particular Norton and McAfee (formerly known as Virex on the Mac platform) are much more dangerous than almost all Mac malware since 1998. Both of them can and have destroyed data on Macs; NAV has destroyed entire hard disk volumes.

The cost of anti-virus is largely insignificant


Anyone who actually pays for Mac AV has money to waste. Sophos and Clam are free and work as well or better than pay AV.

and the cost if your computer gets infected can be very significant (in terms of both time to fix and loss of data).


There are no, none, zero, Mac viruses. There are a few Trojans. The last serious Mac malware was the autostart worm of 1998. The threat is minimal.

There is technically nothing about OSX that makes it less vulnerable.


Incorrect. Certain design decisions make it harder to create some types of malware for OS X. It is not a coincidence that the last major Mac malware appeared in 1998... just before OS X was released.

The biggest detractor at this time is just market share. Viruses don't typically target 5% of the market.


Doubly incorrect.

1 When the autostart worm arrived, the Mac OS had considerably less than 5% of the market. The autostart worm wasn't the only malware to arrive in 1998, merely the last and more widespread. (SevenDust, for example, was another malware variant which was active in 1998.) There was a point when despite the Mac having considerably less marketshare than Windows or DOS, there were nearly as many types of malware infections for Macs as for WIndows/DOS. There have been malware attacks on platforms with considerably less than Mac marketshare. The marketshare argument it totally bogus, and those wishing to be taken seriously should not use it.

2 The Mac OS has considerably more 5% of the market.

If you surf the web responsibly


Drive-by malware does not as yet exist for Macs, but it does exist for Windows. And no amount of 'responsible surfing' will defend against that.

and you don't open email from people you don't know (or suspicious email from people you do know). . .you will be fine without it.


Another bogus argument. Certain specific email clients, all of them for Windows, allowed the automatic loading of executables if sent in an email. And those clients have mostly fixed that behavior. If you turn off HTML on a Mac client you cannot be affected by an email payload unless you take steps to open and run the payload.

Feb 5, 2011 3:21 PM in response to DrSagacity

It was more likely an infection on your windows computer that sent out the email using his email address as the return address. Happens all the time. Apparently pretty easy to do when you have an insecure operating system.

Windows 7 still uses the NT file system. Same permissions, just more holes plugged.

And thank you for letting us know exactly how little you actually know about malware exploits.

Feb 5, 2011 3:15 PM in response to DrSagacity

Oh, please. Someone who had your father's address, and possibly yours, in their addressbook got hit by a Windows-based malware attack, which used the addressbook to mount further attacks. In order to get past defenses, the attack pretends to come from one of the addresses in the addressbook. This is a very old technique. I've got mail addressed to myself with an originating address of one of my own email addresses... except that it was an address which I hadn't used for years and had long since removed from all my systems. so it could not possibly have originated form any of my machines. But it was still in a few old addressbooks belonging to people who ran Windows, and one of them was infected. WIth that for a hint, tracking down which machine was infected was simple.

There are no, none, zero, Mac malware which exhibit this behavior. None. They do not exist. Not even those insane marketers over at Intego say that there's anything like that around, and those boys still say that they defend against SevenDust and the autostart worm, two items which can't run under OS X even if you have Classic, which hasn't been available since Tiger!

Feb 5, 2011 6:01 PM in response to Charles Dyer

Alberto R Air,

Well, it looks like all of the Mac experts here are saying you don't need anti-virus software. I disagree. Here's a recent article which discusses an analysis of the different operating systems.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/01/03/is-os-x-dangerous-for-users/

Clearly, as you see on the responses to this article, you will see similar responses on this forum. I am not saying who is right or who is wrong. I am saying that I will choose to install anti-virus software on OSX. Others won't.

It may not cost you any money to install the anti-virus software, but it will cost you some time to investigate the best choice. I apologize to you for getting the others so sidetracked to your question.

Feb 5, 2011 6:08 PM in response to Barney-15E

Barney,

I am glad that in your infinite wisdom you can judge my knowledge by a single short post. Fantastic. It's nice to be on a forum with such exceptional talent.

However, while you expressed your superior knowledge of the NT file system, you may have taken a closer look at my post. I was referencing NT 4.0, which was the name of the server product Microsoft used to sell around the same time as the desktop produce Windows XP.

I am very aware of how spoofing works, but I certainly thank you for all of your guidance.

Feb 5, 2011 6:14 PM in response to Charles Dyer

Charles,

As I said earlier, I am checking on it now. I assumed that since the outbound messages were all in his send items that the messages weren't spoofed. But then again, if you know a way to spoof the messages and have them in his sent items, that could be the case.

You have done a great job explaining some of the old Email viruses like Melissa (I think that was one of them). They happened back in the early-mid 90's. Again, thank you for your expertise. I always appreciate people with superior knowledge.

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