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  • abeabe Level 1 Level 1

    Yes, Jarom. I totally agree. However unfortunately, Apple doesn't realise that a lot of us wouldn't buy a MacBook Air no matter what(!). It's simply too expensive to get an extra laptop if you already have Winbased PC and have used such ones for over twenty years and are really pleased with that.


    The *possibility* Apple doesn't realise is that the Ipad - with arrow keys - would enable them to reach millions of computer users that otherwise will stay with Msoft or would rather go down the Android path if they decide to try something new...




    And all they would need to do, is a tiny tiny change (give us arrow keys - damnIT!) of the IOS that really is no big thing (see above discussion on OSs etc.)

  • Rick J. Brown Level 1 Level 1

    "Premium products are built so that people don't have to hunt for work arounds."


    Well said!


    Count me among those who long for arrow keys.  I can't tell you how many times I've just wanted to back up about 2-3 characters QUICKLY, without interrupting my typing rhythm, but instead I'm force to leave the keyboard, perhaps unpinch to zoom, tap, no--that's off by one character--tap again--dang, almost got it--press and hold, then gently rock my finger back and forth until the cursor finally lands where I want it.  OK, now pinch to unzoom so I can see the entire field again--and finally I can resume my typing.


    Just a crazy omission for a company like Apple.

  • bassukm Level 1 Level 1

    It is absolutely ridiculous that apple fanboys say things like "just use your finger" or "zoom in." It's equivalent of trying to type on your computer without arrow keys. "Why have arrow keys on your computer when you have a mouse?" --- nonsense--- It's innacurate and too slow. Major limitation!

  • Rick J. Brown Level 1 Level 1

    Well, I'm kind of a fanboy myself , having gotten my first Apple computer in 1979 and having owned (at least) one continually since then.  But the reason I'm a fan is that Apple generally has the right philosophy about the relationship between users and technology; namely that the technology should conform to the user's way of doing things, rather than the other way around.  Sounds like a simple, obvious idea, but its just about the opposite of what most tech companies do.  (They're gradually getting better, in part (I would argue) due to Apple's influence.)

    For that reason, "workarounds" leave me unsatisfied--that's the "user-conforms-to-technology" philosophy.  Yes, there IS a way to move the cursor with your finger, and it's nice and elegant and is often the best choice--but there definitely ARE times when that method slows me down, while left/right arrow keys would eliminate that issue.  The technology should not stand between me and what I'm trying to accomplish.

  • Abeabe2 Level 1 Level 1

    Well said, Rick. There must be some policy reason behind this! Anyone know anything about any (assumed) apple-we-must-exclude-some-basic-functions-policy? Why on earth otherwise omit something as basic as arrow keys??

  • Mickchev Level 1 Level 1

    It is almst certainly a polcy/marketing decision, though maybe not the most wise. From the rumor mill, Apple feels that sales of Mac Air notebooks in particular were hurt by sales of ipads. I read a few months back that that had managed to get IOS running on a Mac Air in the lab so I think the future could be interesting as always. Apple will face a serious threat from Microsoft with Windows 8 because it is scaleable across phone, tablet and PC. And to be honest, it's pretty **** cool too. Plus Microsoft doesn't sell hardware so they don't care as much about which platform is sold. I've got the ipad 2 but I won't upgrade to the 3 until I find out whether they have added arrow keys. And if not, they will lose a customer. I do a lot of typing on it and not having the arrow keys is braindead. Simple as that.

  • cbh99 Level 1 Level 1

    After reading a number of the comments here, I wanted to share this quote from Wikipedia with some of you: "The original Apple Macintosh had no arrow keys at the insistence of Steve Jobs, who felt that people should use the mouse instead. They were deliberately excluded from the Macintosh launch design as a forcing device, acclimating users to the new mouse input device and inducing software developers to conform to mouse-driven design rather than easily porting previous terminal-based software to the new platform.  Arrow keys were included in later Apple keyboards."

  • Mickchev Level 1 Level 1

    Does anyone know if the new ipad has arrow keys? That is interesting that Jobs didn't like them. I guess if the ipad had a mouse it would make it easier. My fat finger is not a great pointing device. And the number of times I just end up backspacing through a complete word just to change say the first letter to uppercase is tedious.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9

    Most likely it does not.

  • Mickchev Level 1 Level 1

    That's a shame. If so it will seal the deal for me in terms of moving to another platform. I don't really like android but the ipad 2 will survive quite nicely until a decent windows 8 tablet comes out. Actually I was a bit blah about both the iphone 4s and the new ipad anyway.

  • lvmedic3214 Level 4 Level 4

    Touch and hold until the magnifying glass opens up then slide the cursor to where you need it. Fat fingers or not you can move the cursor that way to get it exactly where you need it.

  • Mickchev Level 1 Level 1

    Thanks! That works very well. 

  • Jarom Ellsworth Level 1 Level 1

    Your point has been made several times in this discussion. On March 1, 2012 Bassukm summed it up nicely:


    "It is absolutely ridiculous that apple fanboys say things like "just use your finger" or "zoom in." It's equivalent of trying to type on your computer without arrow keys. "Why have arrow keys on your computer when you have a mouse?" --- nonsense--- It's innacurate and too slow. Major limitation!"


    We want arrow keys in addition to the magnifying glass!

  • lvmedic3214 Level 4 Level 4

    That is your opinion of which you are entitled. I was simply giving advice on how to move the cursor. I, in no way suggested that it was a complete solution and I don't appreciate being called an Apple Fanboy. I do however enjoy Apple products and with a little getting used to I am quicker with the touch screen than hitting the arrow keys a bunch of times. Some "old dogs" just can't learn new tricks.

  • Mickchev Level 1 Level 1

    The beauty about capitalism and the rate of change of technology is that you can be sure Microsoft, Google and all the tablet hardware manufacturers, plus of course Apple itself, are all reading these forums pretty intently too. And all of the former companies are looking for an edge to topple the King. Personally I prefer arrow keys but if Apple doesn't want to give them to me and would lose my business over it, that is absolutely their perogative. I am sure the other guys will step up to the plate and deliver. And if the alternative technique works out for me over time, maybe this old dog will learn a new trick. I use a windows laptop and if windows 8 will at some point let me combine both the tablet and laptop into one, I will be a happy camper. 

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