Quicktime Input is always mono?

Got a mixing desk, then going to Echo Audiofire 2 (Firewire Interface), and then going in my Mac Mini 2010. OS X 10.6.6. When using Quicktime (10 player) and record video I can choose the Audiofire as input. But the pan settings on the mixing desk do not show on Quicktime. It´always the same signal, one signal in the middle. When I unplug one of the two cables of the Audiofire input, and then do paning on the desk, the sigal in Quicktime is getting lower and louder when turning the pan knob.

So it seems as Quicktime is doing its own mixing to mono, what ever is coming from the audiofire. Audiofire Console (software editor) changes do not show effects on Quicktime.

Does anyone know what´s the deal? I tried everything I know, but up to now no chance for success.

Hope someone´s got the right idea, it´s very important for me working with real stereo sounds.

Thanks, Kobold!

Mac Mini 2010 2,4GHz, Mac OS X (10.6.6)

Posted on Jan 23, 2011 6:27 AM

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Jan 23, 2011 12:29 PM in response to Jon Walker

First of all thank you very much for your help!

I´m sure that´s more inability answering these questions straight and to the point. I´m not an expert, and it also seems that I´m not a quicktime expert either.

Here I´m trying to find our where´s the mistake. Is it me, doing something wrong, or is the driver of audiofire 2 not right, or anything else?

I do not want to add audio files to video, I want to do a live video and sound recording in stereo, that´s all I want. And up to the moment I do not have that possibility in quicktime. I can choose the interface as mic but that´s it, no additional possibilities like left/right, or anything else. May be that´s a driver thing, but these other appl. (my VCR ....) work.

Thanks, regards!

Jan 23, 2011 7:09 AM in response to Kobold11

Does anyone know what´s the deal?

If I understand you correctly, it sounds as if you work flow defaults to a "mono" channelization setting. It is still unclear if you are getting two "mono" channels or just one. QT 7 "Pro" (if you have it) would allow you to re-designate a "mono" channel as a "right" or "left" channel. If you have two "mono" channels, then one could be designated as a "right" channel and the other as "left." This does not, however, ensure the content is "right" or "left" if your work flow/hardware actually mixes the 2 channels before digitizing/recording the audio.

As to true "panning" control, the QT 7 Player has a playback "Balance" AV control which QT X lacks but only a sound editing application like GarageBand has actual input "Panning" controls for each channel for output targeted re-mixing.

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Jan 23, 2011 7:46 AM in response to Jon Walker

To me it seems as Quicktime just picks up any signal, don´t matters if right or left side, and changes that to one signal for both sides. I know about the balance control of QT pro, but that´s only for playing clips and does not affect recording. Somewhere in that chain there´s a point of no control, where quicktime gets the signal, and just uses it in mono mode.
Thanks, Kobold11!

Jan 23, 2011 8:31 AM in response to Kobold11

Does anyone know what´s the deal?I know about the balance control of QT pro, but that´s only for playing clips and does not affect recording.

The QT 7 Player "Balance" control is not the same as the QT 7 "Pro" channel use control. You still have not indicated if you are dealing with a single channel in the target file or two channels. You still have not confirmed if the output file is channeled for "mono" (center channel) playback or not. In addition, there is the question of whether or not the results of your unplugging one channel of your Audiofire input and manipulating the pan control is in any way significant since the panning of one channel and then designating it as a "mono" channel would result in the same change in volume whereas if two stereo channels were both re-designated as "mono" channels, then as the panning is applied, the one channels volume would increase as the other attenuates and would then provide a more or less constant volume when the two "mono" channels are played back together.

Since you seem to be unfamiliar the channelization attributes of QT 7 "Pro," I would suggest you post a sample snippet of a test clip recorded with both Audioifire input channels active and applying a "panning" action. Then someone here can look at the file in the "properties" window and, if necessary, re-designate the output channels as stereo Left/right to see if the the pan is audible in the final output or simply confirm that the channels are being physically mixed. In the latter case, I would tend to believe the problem is either in your hardware device or an encoding/capture setting since QT captures normally default to a Stereo Left/Right channelization if two inputs are present and you have not manually set the QT capturing/encoding app to a single "mono" channel setting.

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Jan 23, 2011 10:23 AM in response to Jon Walker

I just did some tests with other video capture software, like kCapture, and myVCR. Here I can give the input the interface (as also possible in Quicktime) but: Here the panned (balanced all to one side at the mixing desk) signal is shown and recorded as it should be. But that´s older applications I did not want to use on my new mini, and more and more I´m wondering about quicktime. Can anyone say clearly that quicktime can make a video recording (firewire dv cam plus other mics) in stereo? Even the camera mic that´s a stereo one (that´s a sony DCR-TRV125E) is recorded only in mono mode. There´s nothing I could find up to now about quicktime and stereo recording. May be I´m chasing a ghost?
Regards, Kobold11!

Jan 23, 2011 11:29 AM in response to Kobold11

There´s nothing I could find up to now about quicktime and stereo recording.

A QT MOV file container can handle up to 99 data tracks. Theoretically, this could be one video track and up to 98 audio tracks any of which can be designated for any of the following uses:
a) Mono
b) Left
c) Right
d) Center
e) LFE Screen
f) Left Surround
g) Right Surround
h) Left Center
i) Right Center
j) Center Surround
k) Rear Surround Left
l) Rear Surround Right
m) Left Total
n) Right Total
o) Discrete-0
p) Discrete-1
q) Unused
Since audio can be layered, multiple independent tracks can be "logically" mixed by designating the same speaker array use. Your ability to use these channels is, of course dependent on the amplifier, number of speakers, and how they are arrayed/wired for playback.

Can anyone say clearly that quicktime can make a video recording (firewire dv cam plus other mics) in stereo? Even the camera mic that´s a stereo one (that´s a sony DCR-TRV125E) is recorded only in mono mode.

My board supports up to 6 independent audio channels simultaneously and I have seen others that handle up to 8 channels. As previously indicated, what you can handle depends on the hardware, software, and available settings used in your work flow and you should be checking the user manuals/guides for these items as any recent platform should natively support stereo inputs as a minimum without the additional support for third-party hardware/software.

May be I´m chasing a ghost?

No, but your unwillingness or inability to answer direct questions or provide a sample file for analysis makes it difficult to determine whether your main problem is one of "physical" or "logical" down mixing of content. As a result, I fear nobody here will be able to help you.

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Jan 23, 2011 2:25 PM in response to Kobold11

Here I´m trying to find our where´s the mistake. Is it me, doing something wrong, or is the driver of audiofire 2 not right, or anything else?.

It is possible that you are doing nothing wrong and your results are simply the way your work flow works. For instance, your hardware may only physically export mono audio. On the other hand, it may be exporting two separate audio channels that are, for some reason, "logically" designated as "mono" content which plays through stereo speakers as mono content. In the former case you would need to change your work flow. In the latter, you may only need to change the "property" setting in the captured file to play the content correctly.

Even the camera mic that´s a stereo one (that´s a sony DCR-TRV125E) is recorded only in mono mode.

The DCR-TRV125E user manual indicates this product records in the same stereo format as my DCR-TRV520 and HDR-HC3, both of which recored in stereo to my system when connected directly to the platform. So, if you camcorder records in stereo when connected directly to the system but in a single mono channel when connect to your Echo Audiofire 2 hardware, the logical conclusion is that the Audiofire is causing the problem. (If the camcorder records in as a single "mono" channel when connected directly to your system, then QT X and/or your OS would appear to be corrupted.) However, this still doesn't tell me if this device is physically mixing the audio content down to a single channel or if its output is seen as two independent "mono" channels (which can be "fixed") when captured by QT X but as Stereo L/R channels when captured by alternative capture utilities.

As repeatedly indicated previously, your first step is to explicitly define the nature of the problem before you can make an attempt to solve it. In tests run on my Snow Leopard system, it was impossible to record a mono audio track even when I plugged in and selected both a mono mic (audio) and the DCR-TVR520 (video). The audio still came out as a "Stereo (L/R)" even though both channels contained the same audio data. Therefore, let me ask one last time how the QT X inspector (or if you have it, the QT 7 Pro "Properties") widow is describing the audio track for your "mono" audio. If you cannot answer this question, simply post a sample file for analysis.


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Jan 23, 2011 3:51 PM in response to Jon Walker

I just did another test, connecting the mixing desk to line in input of the mini. At once I have the stereo recording in Quicktime without any problem. So the problem really belongs to audiofire 2, that should be clear now. Or may be the settings for that device, but I tried so many different things (on most things I know what I´m doing) so guess Echo support should be the right place now.

Thanks again for your help, it´s good to know now that it should work, and as backup solution I could go through line in until I get the audiofire running well with that.

Best regards, Kobold11!

Sep 26, 2016 12:27 PM in response to Kobold11

Did you ever find the solution to this? I have a Moto ultralight. All my recordings in QT, Photo Booth, iMovie turn out to be mono. Interestingly Logic Pro works fine (stereo) but standard applications can't produce a stereo file. I have a multichannel synth/workstation and a mono mic connected as an input through Motu Ultralight.


Thanks!

-Mohsin

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