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Is there a way to automate creation of Bookmarks in Pages?

Hi Folks,

I am attempting to switch over to Apple Pages as my word processor. I currently use LibreOffice (formally OpenOffice), and have also used Word (up to v. 2011).

There is one feature lacking in Pages that for me is a deal breaker when working with long documents. There is no document navigation tool.

In WORD it's called the "Document Map". In OpenOffice/LibreOffice it is called the Navigator. The Navigator is better than Word's implementation as it allows one to navigate to any type of object in the document... creating a table of "map" of them.

I see that one can use Bookmarks as a workaround for a Word-like Document Map. But this means creating a new book mark for every Heading I need to be mapped out. In Word if a heading has a level assigned to it, it becomes part of the document map.

*Here is my question:*
*Would it be possible to use applescript to automatically generate bookmarks based on certain paragraph styles?*

With much thanks,

Jonathan

Macbook Pro 17" i7, Mac OS X (10.6.4)

Posted on Jan 28, 2011 5:43 PM

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Jan 29, 2011 1:57 AM in response to InspiredLife

I checked what my memory said : there is no bookmark property defined in the Pages Applescript dictionary, so I think that there is no standard way to do what you want.
Maybe GUIscripting may fill the gap.

I must add that if we were able to do that, the problem would remain a full one.
Where would you store strings hosting links to these bookmarks ?
You would have to move to this area to reach the bookmarked ones.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 29 janvier 2011 10:57:10

Jan 29, 2011 6:07 PM in response to InspiredLife

Thanks to you both for your suggestions/feedback.

It looks like I'll just have to wait for Apple to catch up with the other word processors out there.

A TOC is not ideal, and this document does have one. The advantage of a Document Map or Document Navigator is that one can have a sidebar in constant view with the entire structure of the document outlined. It uses the same structure "Levels" which are defined for styles that are pulled through to create a TOC. Very handy.

The Navigator on LibreOffice, formally OpenOffice, goes many steps further. With that it is possible to see a map of every kind of element that might occur in a document... headings/styles, images, links, and much more.

Bookmarks was about the only rough workaround I could think of for Pages... but it would really only be practical if I was able to automate the generation of bookmarks based on styles (headings, for instance) used in the document.

For now I shall use Word or LibreOffice for long structured documents, and Pages for shorter things.

Much thanks, again.


Jonathan

Jan 29, 2011 6:38 PM in response to InspiredLife

LibreOffice is not OpenOffice, it is a forked development, which may turn out all right.

We shall find out, but after struggling with OpenOffice it will take some work to convince me.

We all have specific needs, but there are a lot of alternative applications out there. None really is a match for the all-in-one MsWord.

Look here for alternatives:

http://www.freeforum101.com/iworktipsntrick/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=3f1e3d295f8435 6c03e17613fc48555a&mforum=iworktipsntrick

I am very much for the Goldilocks Principle which does not demand that one application does everything but instead promotes _adequate simplicity._

Peter

Jan 30, 2011 1:21 PM in response to KOENIG Yvan

KOENIG Yvan wrote:
Eric wrote:
The REAL OpenOffice can be downloaded at http://www.openoffice.org/


Which is the real openOffice ?

Is it
openOffice which is ruled by Oracle
or is it
libreOffice which is not ruled by a huge company ?

From my point of view, the answer is libreOffice

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 30 janvier 2011 21:58:05


1) He said libreoffice is the new name for openoffice, which isn't true.
2) Openoffice may be owned by Oracle, but it's still open source (which is why so many other office suites are based on the openoffice code, e.g., NeoOffice and LibreOffice, as well as others.)

If you're going to say "libreoffice, formally openoffice" you have to back that up with some truth.

Jan 30, 2011 2:13 PM in response to _Eric_

Eric wrote:
If you're going to say "libreoffice, formally openoffice" you have to back that up with some truth.


libreOffice live independently of openOffice.

libreOffice 3.3.0 was delivered before openOffice 3.3.0

So, it's difficult to accept that it's based upon openOffice.

They are both free but from my point of view, the second which is ruled by Oracle is less free than the first one. The guys working upon libreOffice left the openOffice team because they disagree with the Oracle "main-mise".

For me, the debate about that is closed.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 30 janvier 2011 23:13:24

Jan 30, 2011 2:57 PM in response to InspiredLife

Jonathan, I may not understand your problem but, going back to the document navigation problem you first raised, I find that it is very easy to use the outliner. If you are careful about assigning headers as you write, clicking the outline icon is a quick way to navigate a doc. If you need to burrow deeper than headers, there is always 'find'.

Jan 30, 2011 5:54 PM in response to _Eric_

Eric wrote:

1) He said libreoffice is the new name for openoffice, which isn't true.
2) Openoffice may be owned by Oracle, but it's still open source (which is why so many other office suites are based on the openoffice code, e.g., NeoOffice and LibreOffice, as well as others.)

If you're going to say "libreoffice, formally openoffice" you have to back that up with some truth.


Thanks Eric.
My mistake. The last time I checked the opensource world was awash with statements to the effect that OO was dead. I then discovered that LibreOffice was picking up where OO left off.

I now see that OO is still going. So I guess people were making a fuss about nothing when the Oracle / Sun thing happened.

Either way, Apple Pages lacks the Navigation feature found in OO/LO, and Word. And that is what I'd like to find a way to work around.

I had to drop word on this kind of document because its way of handling numbered lists within paragraph styles was driving me nuts, as it had done for the person I was assisting, and has done for many other people I see have posted issues about that as far back as 2003 or earlier. So I switched my friends document over to Pages, as that's installed by default on her MBP. But she really wanted the document map functionality that was in Word. OO/LO was my next option, and the one I am running with for now.

Jan 30, 2011 6:07 PM in response to James Wilson7

James Wilson7 wrote:
Jonathan, I may not understand your problem but, going back to the document navigation problem you first raised, I find that it is very easy to use the outliner. If you are careful about assigning headers as you write, clicking the outline icon is a quick way to navigate a doc. If you need to burrow deeper than headers, there is always 'find'.

Hi James,
Thanks for this. I had looked at the Outline function. I have now taken another look and I see it is possible to collapse the levels to whatever level one chooses. This does make that more useful than I thought.

Whilst helpful, in my experience it is still not nearly as useful as a document navigator / map. It is, however, the best alternative I've now seen on Pages.

Jan 30, 2011 6:10 PM in response to InspiredLife

Following along with James' suggestion, is there any way to have Pages display the outline without the formatting of the various headers? Some of the headings a large, and the outlines displays in a rather hard to read way when these headings are all placed one after the other. It also means that the high level outline takes up far more pages than would otherwise be necessary.

Any suggestions?

Jan 31, 2011 1:24 AM in response to InspiredLife

InspiredLife wrote:
Eric wrote:
If you're going to say "libreoffice, formally openoffice" you have to back that up with some truth.


Actually, libreoffice is formally known as LibreOffice. "openoffice" is formally known as OpenOffice.org. The two are casually referred to as "LO" and "OOo" respectively. "OpenOffice" (without the .org) is a trademark registered in the Netherlands (and separately in the UK) by parties other than the developers of OOo.

The Document Foundation, which is the main organization developing LibreOffice, is composed primarily of people who were formerly involved in development of OpenOffice.org.

Regards,
Barry

Jan 31, 2011 5:48 AM in response to InspiredLife

InspiredLife wrote:


My mistake. The last time I checked the opensource world was awash with statements to the effect that OO was dead. I then discovered that LibreOffice was picking up where OO left off.

I now see that OO is still going. So I guess people were making a fuss about nothing when the Oracle / Sun thing happened.


The truth is that the original team was broken into two parts :

one thinking that being ruled by Oracle / Sun is not a problem : they continue to work on OpenOffice

one thinking that they can't work as they wish under Oracle rules. They are now working upon LibreOffice.

As I'm remembering an old French poem entitled *_Le chien et le loup_*, my heart and my brain vote for LibreOffice. 😉

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 31 janvier 2011 14:47:55

Is there a way to automate creation of Bookmarks in Pages?

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