How do I access external HFS+ disk drive after booting into Windows 7

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit with Bootcamp 3.2 on a late 2009 iMac running OS X 10.6.6.

When I boot into Windows I can readily access (read-only) the OS X partition on my iMac disk drive (which is formatted as Journaled HFS+). However, I cannot access a Western Digital My Book Studio external disk drive formatted the same way. I cannot "see" the external drive in Windows Explorer. This external drive has both USB 2.0 and Firewire 800 interfaces and I have connected it to my iMac each way with the same results.

The disk does show up in Device Manager and in the Disk Management pane of the Computer Management utility, in each case with the status "Not Initialized." However, Device Manager says the device is working properly.

I can readily access the same external disk when I boot into OS X and use OS X applications.

I can also access the disk when I boot into OS X, run Parallels Desktop 6, and run Windows 7 inside Parallels. Under these conditions the external drive is listed as a network drive in Windows Explorer and it does not show up in Device Manager or Computer Management.

It appears to me that Window 7 under Bootcamp cannot access an external drive (USB 2.0 or Firewire 800) that is formatted as Journaled HFS+. Can anyone confirm this or (better yet) educate me to solve the problem? (I've already spent a few hours searching the Web including Apple and Western Digital forums and I've seen many related complaints but no solutions that work for me.)

Thanks for any insight you can provide.

iMac, late 2009, 27 inch, i7 2.8 GHz, 8 GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.6.6)

Posted on Feb 22, 2011 3:23 PM

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Feb 27, 2011 1:40 PM in response to The hatter

Hatter,
You have nothing to apologize for; it was a quirky combination of circumstances.

I'm not dedicated to Western Digital drives but I'm currently using the My Book in question and a My Passport and I have no complaints about them except for the questionable partitioning choice WD made for the My Book.

As you say, the WD decision to use APM and Apple's decision to support it in recent versions of OS X is motivated by a desire to maintain compatibility with the widest range of old and new hardware and software. It caused me some grief but I suppose the alternatives would have caused someone else some grief.

I'm pretty sure that pre-formatting a drive is a marketing advantage when selling to the mass market where many users have no idea how to partition or format a drive or even what the terms mean.

Anyway, for me, all's well that ends well. Thanks for your interest.

Feb 22, 2011 8:21 PM in response to The hatter

Hatter,
Thanks for your advice. As I understand it, Paragon HFS+ for Windows and MacDrive enable Windows to read from and write to an HFS+ formatted disk. In the long run I may need that "write to" capability, but for now I'd like just to be able to read the disk. Using only Windows with Bootcamp 3.2 I'm already able to read the HFS+ partition on my iMac internal drive; it's only the external Firewire 800/USB 2.0 drive I cannot read. Do you know why I'm now able to read the internal drive but not the external? Do you think Paragon HFS+ is applicable to this problem?

Feb 23, 2011 7:29 PM in response to Adam Washington

I've been using MacDrive 8 for some time so I don't remember exactly how the Boot Camp driver for HFS+ works. I can tell you that using MacDrive, I have no issues accessing my external drives attached via USB, FW400 or FW800 when I am booted into Windows 7. I would think that your Boot Camp driver should work as well, so you might have an issue with your partition table. Have you tried running the Disk Utility under Mac OS-X and seeing if it finds any issues with the external drives?

Feb 26, 2011 1:45 PM in response to Adam Washington

Here's the cause of the problem and the solution. My Western Digital My Book Studio came from the factory pre-formatted with with the Mac OS Extended--Journaled format (aka Journaled HFS+) and partitioned with only one partition using the Apple Partition Map scheme. Windows, even with Bootcamp drivers, cannot read a disk partitioned with the Apple Partition Map scheme. Using Apple OS X and Disk Utility I repartitioned the disk to use the GUID Partition Table scheme (still with only one partition). I continued to use the Mac OS Extended--Journaled file system. After re-partitioning (which, with Disk Utility, also requires reformatting) I can read/write the disk after booting into Mac OS X and I can read the disk after booting into Bootcamp/Windows. Problem solved; additional background information below if you're interested.

There may be thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds?) of people who know that Bootcamp/Windows cannot read a disk partitioned with the Apple Partition Map scheme but I stumbled onto the fact after hours of experimenting and false steps. Grasping at straws and after exhausting all my other ideas, I decided to reformat my WD external disk in the hope it would clean up some undetected problem preventing Bootcamp/Windows 7 from recognizing the disk. Using Disk Utility to reformat I discovered I had another decision to make: which partition scheme to use (this applies regardless whether you want multiple partitions or only one).

When formatting a disk, OS X 10.6 Disk Utility provides three options for the partition scheme:
1. GUID Partition Table.
2. Apple Partition Map.
3. Master Boot Record.

Simplifying a bit, the GUID Partition Table scheme is intended for Intel-based Macs, the Apple Partition Map scheme is intended for PowerPC-based Macs, and the Master Boot Record scheme is intended for Windows compatibility. Intel-based Macs can read a disk using any of these schemes but can boot only from a disk using the GUID Partition Table. A disk may be formatted with the Journaled HFS+ file system regardless which partition scheme is chosen. But although OS X can recognize and use any of these partition schemes, Bootcamp/Windows can recognize and use only the GUID Partition Table and the Master Boot Record schemes.

More detail about partition schemes may be found at these links (which I discovered only after I had solved my problem using trial and error):
http://macs.about.com/od/usingyourmac/qt/partition-types.htm
http://www.coriolis-systems.com/help/iPartition-3/content/browse-frames.html

Of course re-partitioning and re-formatting the disk wipes out all the data stored on the disk, but I was desperate and Disk Utility does not provided an alternative that re-partitions the disk without erasing it. Coriolis Systems sells iPartition (about $45) which enables you to re-partition a disk without reformatting/erasing it.

Note that Paragon HFS for Windows and Mediafour's MacDrive would not have solved my problem because the problem was not in reading the HFS file system, it was reading the Apple Partition Map partition table. (This is not to denigrate those products; I will consider using one or the other if I find the need to write to the HFS+ partition when I am in Bootcamp/Windows.)

Feb 26, 2011 2:03 PM in response to Adam Washington

Sorry I didn't think about Apple Partition Map.

I would never buy a MyBook.
Windows uses GPT (and Paragon can easily convert to/from GPT-MBR for non system drives.
Windows support for UEFI is coming out gradually and like Apple requires GPT (they go hand in hand).

There is to me ZERO reason for having APM today with Snow Leopard. Legacy support.

I've seen Macs running OS X not be able to mount/view NTFS drives that came from a PC at times where Paragon's NTFS driver worked. Their HFS8 also works. Just never dawned "does it work with WD MyBook using a scxwed up old partition map scheme."

No vendor should ship pre-formatted anyway. Not WD, not MacSales. And I only once (OWC) received a drive that had been.

Sorry for your time. But that is also how people and we or I tend to learn, trial and error and making mistakes as we go, a very imperfect world.

Feb 27, 2011 1:45 PM in response to GeekBoy.from.Illinois

GeekBoy,
You were right about the issue with the partition table but since OS X Disk Utility reported the drive "okay," I didn't give it any further thought until I came across the issue again three days later. And I didn't realize your tip had pointed in the right direction until I went back and reread the posts in this thread today. Thanks.

Feb 27, 2011 2:02 PM in response to Adam Washington

An unformatted drive would just show as needing to be erased or initialized and formatted. Apple terminology here IS confusing to users, and the fact that clicking "Initialize" does not do it, only opens Disk Utility, and some thing "Done." when nothing happened.

WD MyBook does come in Mac editions or series, but their choice is so far behind the times. I do own 2 dozen WD drives, all internal. They use to have a "PATA drives on Mac only support 128GB and don't support 48-bit LBA and need a controller" too. Well, if they were awake they'd have known G4 MDD did include "large hard drive support." And that was years ago.

Thankfully they have gotten better.

Apple was thinking about GPT and 2TB a long time ago, but only preliminary support in 10.4.6 and later really.

Apple Hardware Pro RAID controller $800 sold with some Mac Pro models doesn't support 3TB drives, sees only 2.2TB at most.

G5 Late 2005 supported booting from GPT or APM, and of course any Mac can use GPT for data.

Externals like MyBook are OFTEN sold for use to store data, not boot, and WD should also know that TimeMachine and Intel Macs prefer or require GPT as well.

10.6 also "broke" support for a large variety of externals using FW interface, new FWIOKit I assume but don't know for sure, slid that under the radar and I guess didn't let WD or others be clued in and alerted to the changes under the hood. So fix firmware for FW, add even more code to 'correct' and work around bugs (a lot of code is devoted to legacy support, errors, bugs, and "exception processing").

We saw the same with SCSI controllers and support. Nothing new. Nothing learned. Just newest flavor of dysfunction.

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