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moonbaza Calculating status...
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Mar 1, 2011 9:32 AM
As I understand it, the new Apple TV, $99, does not have a hard drive but there is another version that has the 160GB hd.

Do they basically function exactly the same, less the hd? If not, how are they different?

I read something indicating that the one with the 160gb hd will pull 160gb worth of content from your Itunes and fill itself. Is that true? Can't I just leave the 160gb free to buy movies and such from Itunes?
Can I control or be selective of what goes into the 160gb hd, kind of like syncing an Ipad or Ipod with Itunes?

I will be getting an Apple TV but want to try and figure out if I should get the one with the hard drive or not.

Thanks for the help!

Ehren
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  • Chenks Level 5 Level 5 (7,420 points)
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    Mar 1, 2011 9:36 AM (in response to moonbaza)
    moonbaza wrote:
    As I understand it, the new Apple TV, $99, does not have a hard drive but there is another version that has the 160GB hd.


    correct. the original version with the HDD was discontinued when the new one was released.

    Do they basically function exactly the same, less the hd? If not, how are they different?


    no, they are quite different although they essentially do the same task.
    the old appletv allowed to you buy or rent content from the itunes store. the new appletv only allows you to rent content.

    I read something indicating that the one with the 160gb hd will pull 160gb worth of content from your Itunes and fill itself. Is that true? Can't I just leave the 160gb free to buy movies and such from Itunes?


    the old version allowed you to sync content from itunes (similar to an ipod), as well as stream.
    the new version only allows you to stream from itunes.

    Can I control or be selective of what goes into the 160gb hd, kind of like syncing an Ipad or Ipod with Itunes?


    you can be selective.

    I will be getting an Apple TV but want to try and figure out if I should get the one with the hard drive or not.


    i doubt you'll be able to buy a new original appletv. and if you did buy one you would be buying an EOL device that is no longer supported by apple in terms of software.
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  • Rudegar Level 6 Level 6 (18,580 points)
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    Mar 1, 2011 10:23 AM (in response to moonbaza)
    the old version have been discontinued and will most likely not receiver more updates
    so airplay may never be supported nor netflix

    think most countries stopped selling the first generation atv altogether

    the new one use IOS unlike the old one so in the future the new one may be able to run apps

    the new one use much less power where the old one is warm to the touch all the time unless you pull the plug on it

    the new one require a computer running all the time to be able to play music or movies

    when my old 1g appletv dies I'm more likely to get a mac mini to replace it because I want a stand alone device which don't require any of my laptops or desktops to be running and not going into sleep mode
    but of cause thats a lot more expensive option

    plus atv2 do 720p in 30fps where the org atv do 720p in 24fps
    non of them do true 1080p (fullHD)

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  • vazandrew Level 6 Level 6 (13,115 points)
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    Mar 1, 2011 11:21 AM (in response to moonbaza)
    You can rent from iTunes or use Netflix on the ATV2 directly. You only need your computer if you want to use home-sharing to access your library. But if you have content on an ios device (iPhone, Ipad, iTouch) you can use airplay to stream.
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  • vazandrew Level 6 Level 6 (13,115 points)
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    Mar 1, 2011 11:22 AM (in response to moonbaza)
    The new one has no hard drive, thus you cannot purchase on the device.
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  • Rudegar Level 6 Level 6 (18,580 points)
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    Mar 1, 2011 1:35 PM (in response to moonbaza)
    You Can rent and netflix without a computer on same with accssing youtube and other internet services
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  • Winston Churchill Level 10 Level 10 (81,830 points)
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    Mar 1, 2011 1:38 PM (in response to moonbaza)
    The cost of components in the new model is significantly less than the older model, whether this is the purpose or the consequence of the redesign I wouldn't know.
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  • tallrad1 Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
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    Mar 1, 2011 3:32 PM (in response to moonbaza)
    New vs. Old?

    I think the answer is simple. If you want to have your purchased iTunes movies available for immediate watching and don't want to be bothered keeping iTunes running on a networked computer ready to feed it movies, and don't want to mess with something like Airplay, then you want the old Apple TV. They old ones are readily available on the second hand markets.

    As far as filling the old one it's up to you: leave it empty for streaming, let it auto-fill, specify the movies to fill it, or build custom filters, for instance you can specify to fill it with 100GB of you most recent purchases or most watched movies, etc.
  • stephen w Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Mar 7, 2011 9:00 PM (in response to moonbaza)
    I have the original ATV and would also like to get the new ATV. But I am wondering if this would work...purchase a Mac Mini to store purchased movies and watch them on my HDTV. Would I even need an Apple TV in that instance?

    It seems that a Mac Mini and an HDTV would be all I need to rent or buy movies (thru iTunes) and watch them on my HDTV.

    Is Apple TV just an option if you don't want to purchase a Mac Mini?

    Thanks!
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  • stephen w Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Mar 7, 2011 9:04 PM (in response to stephen w)
    Perhaps I'm answering my own question on the need for an Apple TV, but I might need one to utilize the AirPlay feature. I am going to get the iPad 2 and want to be able to view movies on the iPad and HTDV. I haven't heard anything about AirPlay working between the iPad and the Mac Mini. Thoughts/suggestions on a compatible home theatre system? Thanks again.
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  • capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)
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    Mar 7, 2011 9:33 PM (in response to stephen w)
    But I am wondering if this would work...purchase a Mac Mini to store purchased movies and watch them on my HDTV.


    Yes. I replaced my ATV1 with a Mac mini and it resolved all of my ATV frustrations.

    Would I even need an Apple TV in that instance?


    No.

    It seems that a Mac Mini and an HDTV would be all I need to rent or buy movies (thru iTunes) and watch them on my HDTV.


    Yes, you can rent or buy from iTunes on the Mini as well as store your entire library on it or any external drives connected to it. You can also watch web video, including Hulu and Netflix, directly in Safari.

    The only annoyance comes from the irrational selection of video types in the iTunes store. Some titles are only available in HD on an iPad or an ATV, despite the Mac mini's superior hardware and performance relative to those devices.

    Is Apple TV just an option if you don't want to purchase a Mac Mini?


    I'm not sure how relevant it is to compare them directly. The ATV is a dedicated media player designed primarily for use with iTunes files, although it also has an embedded Netflix player. The Mac mini is an actual computer with an HDMI port that can do 1080p video output with surround sound. The price difference between the two is substantial, so the ATV makes for an economical, albeit limited player. The Mac mini has none of the limitations or performance issues of an ATV, but the extra power and versatility come at a price.
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  • capaho Level 4 Level 4 (3,650 points)
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    Mar 7, 2011 9:37 PM (in response to stephen w)
    Perhaps I'm answering my own question on the need for an Apple TV, but I might need one to utilize the AirPlay feature.


    You can't use AirPlay to stream from an iOS device to a Mac, but the Mac mini has none of the limitations of an ATV, so you wouldn't really have a need for AirPlay if you had a mini connected to your A/V system. All you need is the Remote app or the Mobile Mouse app to control a Mac mini remotely.
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  • stephen w Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Mar 8, 2011 10:26 AM (in response to capaho)
    The only annoyance comes from the irrational selection of video types in the iTunes store. Some titles are only available in HD on an iPad or an ATV, despite the Mac mini's superior hardware and performance relative to those devices.

    So I suppose you could overcome this limitation by utilizing the Airplay feature to stream those HD titles from iPad directly to HDTV; thus bypassing the mini altogether. Is that a fair statement?
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