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MacBook Pro 2011 Battery Re-Charging Issue

Hey everyone, I discovered a problem on my 2011 MBP 17" which I was told that "it's perfectly normal' and I want to see if you guys can reproduce it on your new 2011 models as well (please indicate your screen size).

In summary, I noticed that depending on CPU usage, the battery reacharge time will greatly fluctuate to the point where the laptop just stops charging the battery. I noticed the giant fluctuations in time when I booted one of my VMs which used up like 15-20% overall cpu usage. I was at 5% battery life and the computer was plugged in recharging and the battery indicator all of the sudden went from somewhere around 2.5 hours recharge time to 10 hours to 15 then 20 hours. Then at some point the magsafe light went green and the battery indicator showed 'Not Charging'.

I thought that I may have a bad MagSafe so I tried the one from my 2009 MBP (both are the 85W version) and bam same problem. I figured that this may be due to a design flaw where the power unit cannot supply enough tower to feed a CPU that's being somewhat taxed (i'm talking about 25-50% usuage) and recharge a battery.

Here is a simple way to try to reproduce the problem:

1. Let you battery drain to about 80% or less.

2. Close all open programs.

3. Change your battery indicator icon in the menu bar to display the info as 'Time'.

4. Plug in your MagSafe and let the recharge time in the battery indicator calculate and stabilize (give it about 2 mins to get a stable time value).

5. Open up safari and go to Hulu and play any TV show to drive up your cpu usage.

6. Then open Terminal and type the command 'yes' (without the quotes) and hit enter. The 'yes' command basically causes an infinite loop of the letter 'y' to be display in the terminal window which also taxes your CPU in addition to the video playing in Hulu.

7. Now watch the battery indicator's recharge time value and you should notice that it'll start going up significantly in time and at some point it'll say 'Recalculating' and eventually it'll give up and say 'Not Charging'. I have a 2009 MBP 17" C2D 2.66GHz, and although the recharge time goes up by 20-30% in the exact same test, it at least still charges the battery.

I was able to reproduce this at the apple store on a 17" 2011 model as well but I'm curious if this also happens on the 15 and 13 inch models. I was told by the engineering team on the phone that this is 'perfectly normal'. I guess it falls in the category of malfunctions as designed...

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2011 MBP 17" anti-glare, Mac OS X (10.6.6)

Posted on Mar 18, 2011 4:29 PM

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May 8, 2011 10:52 PM in response to TheRosta

I recently purchased a 2011 MBP 15" i7 with 8GB RAM specifically for Final Cut Pro and to Boot Camp Windows 7. My MBP didn't charge when I plugged it in during a Log & Transfer of 13GB of Canon 5DMkII footage using the Canon E1 Plugin. I thought something was wrong with the power outlet in the wall until I noticed the amber charge light finally turn on at the end of the transfer (which also transcoded the original footage into ProRes LT).


Then I found this thread.


So I decided to try a test. With the charge light amber at about 46% charge on the battery, I fired up the game, Portal 2, and loaded "The Surprise" chapter. Nearly right away, the charge light turned green. I played for about 15 seconds and then quit to the main menu of the game. Charge light immediately turned amber again.


So, I can confirm similar behavior on what *was* my favorite laptop of all time.


What has me concerned isn't the battery not charging under high system load, I can understand diverting all power to the task at hand; rather, it's the possibility that under high load that both the power from wall AC and the laptop's battery will be used together. My takeaway is that if I want to use my Macbook Pro for Pro use, I can only do so in some circumstances while I also have battery power. Transcoding a meager 13GB of footage shouldn't cause this to happen. Worse still, I saw my battery deplete during the transcode session. For road warriors, the last bastion of safety with a laptop is the coveted AC outlet; as long as the laptop gets plugged in, you're good. With a MacBook Pro, there is no such safety.


Having never had an i7 laptop before, I have to wonder whether or not PC laptops exhibit similar issues. Giving Apple the benefit of the doubt, this could simply be the way it is for high powered CPUs in laptops.


Well, that's my experience so far. Hopefully, someone can shed some light on this issue.

May 20, 2011 11:40 AM in response to TheRosta

Same problem here. I have a 2011 15" MacBook Pro with a 2.3Ghz Core i7, 8GB RAM, High-res glossy, and the 512GB SSD and when I am working in programs that use the graphics card heavily my computer either stops charging or even starts draining. I was working in Motion last night and when I was rendering out video my battery drained about 5-6% in 15 minutes.

Hopefully this issue will be addressed.

May 20, 2011 11:56 AM in response to TheRosta

In response to another thread (https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2802782?answerId=15162995022#15162995022) that dismisses the behavior, I wrote the following:


Respectfully, I disagree with your claim that nothing is wrong.


While I understand the behavior is by design, most users - myself included, believe that when the laptop is plugged in, it's charging and can operate indefinitely as long as it's plugged in. Instead, a Macbook will, in certain circumstances, shut down completely if under heavy load for too long. Heavy load isn't just rendering complex 3D designs or transcoding HD video - things many users will never do - but it does include activities as seemingly trivial as playing videogames or watching Netflix where playing for too long when the battery is significantly less than full exposes the user to a very possible shut down.


Just this evening, my MacBook Pro (2011) nearly died while transcoding video in Final Cut Pro - while it was plugged in. This is a real problem for a pro user on the road. Simply being plugged in is not enough when historically it has been.


Again, I understand that the MacBooks exhibit this behavior by design, but it is a design that is counter to most people's experience of electronics.


Rather than have this simply be "the way it's designed," how about Apple consider providing an option that reduces the maximum system load to a lower threshold that will allow for effectively indefinite runtimes (keeping in mind engineering concerns like heat dissipation)? I'd be willing to deal with lower clock speeds (and the resulting lengthier processing times) in certain scenarios of my choosing if it means my project won't be exposed to an unwanted shut down like it nearly did tonight. This is feedback I intend to submit to Apple after tonight's episode.


While I'm no longer concerned that something's wrong with my MacBook Pro, I don't believe the current "normal" behavior is good enough for a $2,000+ laptop for professionals.


I went ahead and purchased the AppleCare warranty because I intend to use my laptop like a pro needs to be able to do. I expect somewhere down the road that the battery is going to fail earlier than expected because of the addtional cycles placed on the battery during high loads.

May 21, 2011 2:20 PM in response to ShawnLive

ShawnLive wrote, in part:


Rather than have this simply be "the way it's designed," how about Apple consider providing an option that reduces the maximum system load to a lower threshold that will allow for effectively indefinite runtimes (keeping in mind engineering concerns like heat dissipation)? I'd be willing to deal with lower clock speeds (and the resulting lengthier processing times) in certain scenarios of my choosing if it means my project won't be exposed to an unwanted shut down like it nearly did tonight.

This option is available to users of 15" and 17" MBPs who have installed Cody Krieger's excellent gfxCardStatus utility:


http://codykrieger.com/gfxCardStatus/


It enables manual switching from the power-gobbling discrete GPU in those machines (which is automatically activated by graphics-intensive applications and processes) to the integrated GPU, which draws far less power, when the user is content to have his or her most demanding work done more slowly.


Of course this isn't an option for 13" MBP users, with only an integrated GPU and no way to lower its power demands. A 13" MBP is the wrong tool for the most graphically demanding uses. As many posters have commented here in the past, it doesn't deserve its "Pro" label. It's not in the same league at all as its larger, more expensive siblings.

May 21, 2011 2:36 PM in response to eww

That's an interesting script! I'll have to try that out.


The downside side is that it looks like an all or nothing proposition - run integrated or discrete GPUs. I'd like to be able to simply throttle back the discrete GPU to the point the laptop can still charge or at least not discharge while under load to still get some discrete advantage. Going integrated is a bigger step down in performance than I'd like, but I'm curious how big the performance actually would be. I think I'll test it this coming week.


Thanks for the tip!

May 21, 2011 4:23 PM in response to TheRosta

Slightly different but in a similar vaine.....


Is it normal after a first charge to get a battery time fluctuate so much from 9 hours to 6 hours to 7 hours to 5 hours during 99% to 91% within half hour or so? First charge so no idea what to expect. When does a warning come up to tell you when to plug charger in during the cycle, or doesn't it?

May 31, 2011 12:26 PM in response to TheRosta

I also have a 2011 MBP 15" 2.2GHz, 8 GB ram, hi res screen and am noticing the same thing. Without this issue, this would easily be my favorite laptop of all time - but as someone who is frequently producing audio, editing HD video, and gaming, it is extremely frustrating to know that when plugged in my computer can still die. I just got my computer today and have ALREADY discovered this issue; what will the next 2 years look like. Very frustrating, especially having spent nearly $2500 bucks on this computer.

MacBook Pro 2011 Battery Re-Charging Issue

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