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Q: MacBook Pro 2011 Battery Re-Charging Issue

Hey everyone, I discovered a problem on my 2011 MBP 17" which I was told that "it's perfectly normal' and I want to see if you guys can reproduce it on your new 2011 models as well (please indicate your screen size).

In summary, I noticed that depending on CPU usage, the battery reacharge time will greatly fluctuate to the point where the laptop just stops charging the battery. I noticed the giant fluctuations in time when I booted one of my VMs which used up like 15-20% overall cpu usage. I was at 5% battery life and the computer was plugged in recharging and the battery indicator all of the sudden went from somewhere around 2.5 hours recharge time to 10 hours to 15 then 20 hours. Then at some point the magsafe light went green and the battery indicator showed 'Not Charging'.

I thought that I may have a bad MagSafe so I tried the one from my 2009 MBP (both are the 85W version) and bam same problem. I figured that this may be due to a design flaw where the power unit cannot supply enough tower to feed a CPU that's being somewhat taxed (i'm talking about 25-50% usuage) and recharge a battery.

Here is a simple way to try to reproduce the problem:

1. Let you battery drain to about 80% or less.

2. Close all open programs.

3. Change your battery indicator icon in the menu bar to display the info as 'Time'.

4. Plug in your MagSafe and let the recharge time in the battery indicator calculate and stabilize (give it about 2 mins to get a stable time value).

5. Open up safari and go to Hulu and play any TV show to drive up your cpu usage.

6. Then open Terminal and type the command 'yes' (without the quotes) and hit enter. The 'yes' command basically causes an infinite loop of the letter 'y' to be display in the terminal window which also taxes your CPU in addition to the video playing in Hulu.

7. Now watch the battery indicator's recharge time value and you should notice that it'll start going up significantly in time and at some point it'll say 'Recalculating' and eventually it'll give up and say 'Not Charging'. I have a 2009 MBP 17" C2D 2.66GHz, and although the recharge time goes up by 20-30% in the exact same test, it at least still charges the battery.

I was able to reproduce this at the apple store on a 17" 2011 model as well but I'm curious if this also happens on the 15 and 13 inch models. I was told by the engineering team on the phone that this is 'perfectly normal'. I guess it falls in the category of malfunctions as designed...

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2011 MBP 17" anti-glare, Mac OS X (10.6.6)

Posted on Mar 18, 2011 4:34 PM

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  • by bspiral,

    bspiral bspiral Nov 2, 2013 1:06 AM in response to FlyEvolution
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    Nov 2, 2013 1:06 AM in response to FlyEvolution

    UUnfortunately I am able to drain the battery while on AC with Mavricks. (Late 2011 15" i7 2.2Ghz, 16GB ram, 750GB 7.2k rpm HDD, high res display)

     

    If I run multiple CPU intensive virtual machines in Parallels I can view the energy graph in activity manager drop all the while indicating I'm charging (green).

     

    I think this is an engineering failure in the total sum of all energy consuming parts exceed the supply, luckily the charging circuits allow the battery to help. I would guess this is one reason the battery is not user serviceable?

     

    anyway whatever the cause - it's a hardware issue that an OS change can only mitigate, not resolve.

  • by FlyEvolution,

    FlyEvolution FlyEvolution Nov 2, 2013 7:08 PM in response to bspiral
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    Nov 2, 2013 7:08 PM in response to bspiral

    Interesting, I just ran a compressor job from FCP and about 7 instances of "yes" in terminal for 5 hours straight...CPU was maxxed the whole time and I assume GPU was too.. and didn't experience any drain at all.  I've got a 2011 17", 2.3ghz, 16gb, 256gb SSD, Dell 27" WQHD...

  • by FlyEvolution,

    FlyEvolution FlyEvolution Nov 18, 2013 5:30 PM in response to bspiral
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    Nov 18, 2013 5:30 PM in response to bspiral

    Never mind, you're right.  It still happens to me too.  I guess it was because I wasn't stressing the GPU AND the CPU at the same time hard enough.  I was importing some AVCHD footage to FCP7 through log and transfer and it's just started draining again.

  • by FlyEvolution,

    FlyEvolution FlyEvolution Jan 14, 2014 9:44 AM in response to TheRosta
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    Jan 14, 2014 9:44 AM in response to TheRosta

    Here's two youtube videos illusrating the problem.  I'm going to try to get these to someone in apple's upper level customer relations if I can.  It's not acceptable.

     

    http://youtu.be/jJSOaI9uYmk

    http://youtu.be/n4HPwO9qv1A

     

    Also, it looks like Alex Tomek is continuing his suit against apple regarding this, and appealing the court's decision:

    http://news.justia.com/docket/circuit-courts/ca9/13-16696

     

    If you ask me, I think apple is 100% responsible to rectify this problem somehow.  If I had know this laptop had this kind of bizarre limitation, I wouldn't have bought it in the first place.

  • by bspiral,

    bspiral bspiral Jan 14, 2014 10:08 AM in response to FlyEvolution
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    Jan 14, 2014 10:08 AM in response to FlyEvolution

    It'll be interesting as we've already gone into the 2nd year of a major refresh in the MacBook model... they may just stall this one out until it dies.

     

    I have no doubt this is a design flaw. I spent well in excess of $2400 on the laptop and accessories during the time I've owned it - and been very pleased with it, except for teh fact that I can drain the battery dead while playing games or using it for heavy lifting apps that leverage the GPU and CPU to create content.

     

    If there was an engineering error or even if this was planned thinking that 85W PSU was not strong enough to sustain the Nehalem CPU and ATI GPU during extraordinary stress - they leveraged the battery as a "boost", I wish they'd just suck it up and admit it.

     

    The newest Intel CPUs are much more efficient and don't suffer this issue - then I'll take one of those please.

  • by eltnet,

    eltnet eltnet Feb 11, 2015 11:29 AM in response to TheRosta
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    Feb 11, 2015 11:29 AM in response to TheRosta

    +1 on MacBookPro11,3 Intel Core i7 2,5 GHz

    It's not a "pro" machine at all...

    Apple is dying.

  • by macbookcharge,

    macbookcharge macbookcharge Mar 26, 2016 12:02 PM in response to TheRosta
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    Mar 26, 2016 12:02 PM in response to TheRosta

    As of Mart 2016 i have bought a new macbook pro with 2.8 GHZ processor and i am getting the same error. I am a fan of apple products but that is totally shame! I can only play games until my battery ends no way to use my laptop with ac connected. It is not charging under boot camp or with any kind of heavy gpu usages.

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