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Is there a Save or Save as icon that I can add to the tool bar as I have in Word? It makes life easier. I'm already annoyed that there's no autosave feature.

MacBook Pro i7, 17". iPhone 4 (32GB). Magic Trackpad., Mac OS X (10.6.5), No Windows here

Posted on Mar 21, 2011 12:26 PM

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PeterBreis0807

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Mar 21, 2011 12:59 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

No, and no need.

+command s+ = Save

+command shift s+ = Save As which are consistent and easy to remember on the Mac.

Auto Save will be universal in Lion and for now just download *ForEverSave Lite* (free) which does the same thing.

Peter

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Answer 2

Mar 21, 2011 1:00 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

Autosave, coming soon: Lion.

Icons in the Toolbar, no. I presume you know about Command-S and Shift-Command-S.

Sorry you're so annoyed.

Jerry

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OrangeMarlin Author

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Mar 21, 2011 1:09 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

Helpful answers, and yes, I have known about command-S forever. However, I do not like command-S, because I have to move both hands to find the command key. By then, I could have clicked the mouse. Writing should require the minimum amount of finger and hand moves. Oh well, I'll stick with Word, I guess.

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Mar 21, 2011 2:11 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

Why both hands? You just do it with your left thumb and middle finger, the keys are practically next to each other. To do a Save As you add in the ring finger.

Your hands should be on the keyboard and only occasionally on the mouse.

Keyboard shortcuts are almost instantaneous compared with mousing around. One reason I have observed why PC users waste so much time.

Peter

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Answer 5

Mar 21, 2011 2:24 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

Marlin,

The only time I prefer a Toolbar icon over a key sequence is when it's for a command that I use so seldom that I can't remember the shortcut. That's certainly not the case with Save.

In any case, I hope that you took advantage of the 30-day free trial of iWork. Better to be happy to leave than to be unhappy and having to stay.

Jerry

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OrangeMarlin Author

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Mar 21, 2011 2:39 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

PeterBreis0807 wrote:
No, and no need.

Strongly and respectfully beg to differ on "no need". How we use programs is up to the individual, and having the highest amount of flexibility in setting it up is the hallmark of good design. For example, I love the trackpad on my MBP, but I do not like (no, I despise) the touch-click feature. But Apple allows me to shut that off.

And some people, like myself, are more visual, so icons mean more than memorize hundreds of keyboard shortcuts. I admit to using none, except copy and paste. I'm an extremely fast typist, and keyboard shortcuts drive me crazy. And in no way should any program be one flavor for all.

Lastly, if Apple had chosen to make an autosave feature available, I wouldn't have even asked this question.

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OrangeMarlin Author

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Mar 21, 2011 2:43 PM in response to Jerrold Green1

Jerrold Green1 wrote:
Marlin,

The only time I prefer a Toolbar icon over a key sequence is when it's for a command that I use so seldom that I can't remember the shortcut. That's certainly not the case with Save.

In any case, I hope that you took advantage of the 30-day free trial of iWork. Better to be happy to leave than to be unhappy and having to stay.

Jerry

Again, I disagree. Why would YOUR opinion of what's faster trump MY opinion? Without scientific evidence, I'm quite skeptical. But I stated previously that I type fast and I don't like keyboard shortcuts. They always slow down my typing speed. I'm not sure why, but probably retraining how I type isn't worth the effort of the learning curve.

I purchased iWork with my Mac. There are some things I like about it. Somethings, especially in Numbers, frustrate me. I think it's a matter of habit. Lucky for me, iWork wasn't that expensive. 🙂

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Answer 8

Mar 21, 2011 2:51 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

You are annoyed, I'm happy. I was just explaining why I'm happy.

Jerry

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Answer 9

Mar 21, 2011 3:03 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

You can do anything you want, and believe me I've seen some doozies!

But all the more reason if you are a fast typer not to take your hands off the keyboard to mouse around for something that is at your finger tips.

How hard is it to remember +command s+ for Save?

There is a reason why most keyboard shortcuts are mnemonic or positional.

Imagine how well you'd play the piano if you had to reach for a mouse and toolbar icon every minute.

Peter

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OrangeMarlin Author

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Mar 21, 2011 3:15 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

Peter, why are you lecturing me? Are not people entitled to logical reasons for not doing it one way or another? And your rudeness is completely unnecessary. I know you have 9000 or so posts here, but that gives you no right to be a jerk.

On my MBP, the command key is in a very bad position for my hands, meaning either I move my fingers down two rows, which is inconvenient, or use my thumbs. By that time, I could move the mouse, and be back to typing 2X as fast.

Nevertheless, you've answered my question. Further discussions with you appear to have no merit whatsoever.

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Answer 11

Mar 21, 2011 3:36 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

Hmmm.

I was not being rude, just discussing something it turns out you don't want to discuss because you think it implies criticism.

The arrangements of the keys in question on a MBP are the same as for a regular keyboard. Unless you are missing the use of the fingers in question, hardly a question of contortion at all.

You were the only one to turn to abuse.

Peter

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Barry

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Mar 21, 2011 11:08 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

OrangeMarlin wrote:
Lastly, if Apple had chosen to make an autosave feature available, I wouldn't have even asked this question.

Among the many AppleScripts Yvan Koenig has written for iWork, there's one called AutoSave that you might find useful.

You'll find it on Yvan's iDisk. Click For iWork, then iWork '09, then autoSave_iWork.zip.

Regards,
Barry

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Elfstone

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May 24, 2011 3:15 AM in response to Barry

I found this interesting discussion through a search for 'save icon' in Pages. I support orangemarlin on this - not having a save icon in the tool bar ia a real pain! (and if that makes me a "doozie" so be it). If I am resizing shapes and so on in a document then my hand is already on the mouse; I don't want to have to move it to a keyboard just to save. Even when I'm typing text (in Appleworks), I will move my hand to the mouse to save and pause for thought while I do it.

This thread has answered my question though and I am grateful to those of you who provided answers and info to the original poster.

"Imagine how well you'd play the piano if you had to reach for a mouse and toolbar icon every minute." This is not a good analogy; pianists often have to turn the pages of the music, by moving a hand away from the keyboard, and we do so for the most part without interrupting the flow of the music at all. 😉

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Answer 14

Feb 8, 2012 10:44 AM in response to OrangeMarlin

upgrade to lion's autosave

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Answer 15

Feb 8, 2012 12:38 PM in response to Elfstone

We do not have both hands on the mouse, nor the page turning if we are a pianist, the other hand stays busy.

The standard method is thumb on command key, pointer finger on keyboard shortuct, in this case s.

I gather you are an ex PC user, whom I find painful to watch.

For PC users this a pain as the control key can only be managed with your pinky and that is really awkward. So having created the problem, just to be different from Apple, Microsoft went overboard on masses of badly designed icons that take away most of the top of your screen. For years, until they got bigger screens, PC users peered through the tiny porthole in the middle of the screen into what was left of it after being obscured by the completely unnecessary clutter of the "User Interface".

This is the reason the Mac interface looks so clean on the screen.

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