theora ogv and webm compression?

Have you found out anymore about rendering to WEBM? I'd actually like to use it to playback video on Android devices as they've got good support for WEBM now.

I've had success using Miro. It's a pretty simple converter that goes to webm and theora/ogv as well as several other file types. http://www.mirovideoconverter.com/

Bumping this.

Looking for a solution for converting OGG/Theora & WEBM with Apple Compressor4. Miro only has one compression setting and doesn't intergrate with the FinalCut / Compressor workflow. This is a major oversight on Apple's part.

Any info would be helpful. OGG & WEBM are needed for HTML5 video, this is not the some wacky edge case.

Cheers!

I agree that it's a major oversight. Everything I've tried to do with HTML5 ends up being a huge workaround.

I'm curious as to what you are trying to accomplish. I take the final version of the video out of Compressor as an H264 and feed that through Miro to output the OGG and WEBM. I don't think I've ever tried to put an OGG back through Final Cut. If further edits are required I'm forced to edit the original Final Cut doc and output it again and convert it again. A huge pain, but that's the only way I've found to do it ...

Sorenson Squeeze will create OGG & WEBM videos. It also does a really good job with H.264 videos. But it is not cheap.

Been playing with OGG and WebM recently and my workflow has been as follows:

FCP > Quicktime Conversion > H.264

Using the Firefox plugin Firefogg to then convert that to OGG or WebM. Easy setup, few clicks and you are on your way. Or you can tweak some advanced options.

Using Export > Quicktime Movie does NOT work (at least with a ProRes timeline). You get an audio file without video for both WebM and OGG conversions.

Hope this helps!

Just wanted to throw out an overview of the landscape of delivering video to a browser.

The HTML5 way:

• H.264 in mpeg 4 for Internet Explorer, Safari, iOS, and Android (although I think H.264's days in Android are numbered, like they were for Chrome)
• WebM or Theora for Firefox, Chrome, Opera, and Android
• Flash backup needed for people with older browsers
• Conditionals you have to code to serve the right video to the right browser.

The Flash way:

It quite simply works for everyone except iOS clients. You can add on Adobe Flash Media Server to send flash video to the crippled iOS devices.

You can **** around with this fantasy world, but today HTML5 video is as much bag of hurt as HD-DVD

HTML5 video a "bag of hurt"? What is Adobe Flash Media Server? A Matrix of Hurt? Everything in digital video has a bloody learning curve.

My issue is batching my encoding of H.264, WebM & OGG. If my current project could justify Sorensen Squeeze I'd buy it and be done. (Thanks @Shawn Birmingham) I know Sorensen makes great stuff... but that doesn't let Apple & Compressor off the hook. IMO, Apple needs to support HTML5 video workflows.

@chucktown guy and @ShouldaBeenNamedMurphy

Thanks for the tip on converting H.264 to OGG/Theora !!!!! I thought that transcoding from H.264 to OGG would kill the quality, but it looks fine for my use. Export > Quicktime Movie >> Miro/ffmpeg > WebM works for me with DV NTSC 48kHz (obviously not using ProRes)

My current workflow

1) Export > Quicktime Movie

#Then I use a bash script to trigger the final conversions with ffmpeg (using Miro settings) and go to bed while my Mac churns away.

2) Quicktime Movie > Miro/ ffmpeg > WebM

3) Quicktime Movie > Miro/ ffmpeg > H.264 (iPad setting)

4) H.264 > Miro/ ffmpeg > OGG/Theora

#My Step 4 starts with the H.264 file because Miro/ ffmpeg OGG doesn't convert my NTSC DV QT to square pixels like it's WebM & H.264 conversions do successfully. (???)

This is far from ideal... but it gets the job done for the moment.

xmedia-recode.de (Windows)

Whilst I can't help with a Mac solution to creating WebM and OGV, I use http://www.xmedia-recode.de/ on Windows. Hope this is useful to some of you.

HTML5 Resources (many include HTML5 video help)

• http://html5doctor.com/
• http://html5demos.com/
• http://webexpedition18.com/articles/brilliant-and-useful-html5-tutorials-you-mus t-see/
• http://www.html5rocks.com/en/
• http://diveintohtml5.info/

HTML5 Video Resources

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video
• http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/everything-you-need-to-know-about-html5-video -and-audio/

Thanks for showing me firefogg. I just had my first request for webm and was so disappointed in the quality of Miro (and couldn't afford the rest!). because you have access to advanced settings, the quality of Firefogg is so much better. Plus it is screaming fast!

Thanks!

Karen

I've found the QT components to install that will let you easily render out of QT7. After installing the components, and running a couple of tests, the ogg option in QT seems a bit better quality. You can simply open the vid in QT7 and go to export and find an ogg option or webM option. Simple. I haven't created the Compressor preset yet. I'll play with that later this week. Again, these are third party components that can fit with QT; but not official/approved.

http://code.google.com/p/webm/downloads/list

http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/download.html

I've gotten the QT7 encodes using Xiph tools to produce a decent quality ogg file. I've been able to open the ogg in Firefox on my Macbook Pro as well as an android device. So the basic problem of simply getting something into the open format is solved for me.

However, the webm format seems unstable within QT, delivering poor quality, and at one point a crash. Ogg has worked reliably in several tests.

Also, I've been unable to configure a solid preset for this in Compressor. It seems as though the wrapper may be as much of an issue as the codec. I've installed other components (DNxHD and X264) and gotten those transcodes to work in Compressor. But I can't seem to get it right for ogg/vorbis. Nor have I been able to successfully configure this in Adobe Media Encoder CS4.

So, I've got a decent QT solution; but not what I really want. I'd like to simply be able to render directly to these in Compressor (3 & 4) and/or Adobe Media Encoder. If anyone has better success configuring Compressor, I'd love to hear about it.