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  • Jon Walker Level 6 Level 6 (18,125 points)
    Philosophy with mathematics coexist together?

    Of course. If you check, you'll find that many great mathematicians were also noted for their philosophical writings.

  • JoeYbr Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Just joking, i know.

    seeya!
  • psylens Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    And if midi files at these sites don't play as expected?

    http://free.mididb.com/

    http://www.lindmidis.net

     

    I must have some incorrect mime type setup or something, but i can't find it.  When i open a midi file in safari, such as » Barbara Mendes - Billie Jean, i see the quicktime plugin open and load, then fade with a question mark - no sound.

     

    I'll see if i can get a cropped screenshot of what i see.

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  • Jon Walker Level 6 Level 6 (18,125 points)

    And if midi files at these sites don't play as expected?

    http://free.mididb.com/

    http://www.lindmidis.net

    What MIDI files? Once again, the sample file I checked was a WMA Pro audio file—not a MIDI file.

     

     

    I must have some incorrect mime type setup or something, but i can't find it.  When i open a midi file in safari, such as » Barbara Mendes - Billie Jean, i see the quicktime plugin open and load, then fade with a question mark - no sound.

     

    I'll see if i can get a cropped screenshot of what i see.

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    You must learn the difference between a file extension (i.e., alpha-numeric characters added to the filename) and a compression format (i.e., the data actually encoded in the file container). In this case the extension would be interpreted as MIDI file extension by QT but the data actually wrapped in the file is WMA Pro compressed audio data. As to the icon with the question mark, this is how the QT tells the user there is a playback problem requiring the user to check what is going on and to then tell the player/plug-in what to do. In this case, the file extension needed to be corrected so that both the file extension/data format were in agreement so that QT would call the correct playback decoder. (I.e., this icon is the QT software saying, "I am confused. What should I do here?")

     

    If you have QT 7 on your system and the Flip4Mac codec installed, then use the context menu to download and play the file linked to the URL depicted on this web page:

     

    http://downloads.walker4.me/downloads/Temporary.html

     

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  • psylens Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Jon Walker wrote:

    What MIDI files? Once again, the sample file I checked was a WMA Pro audio file—not a MIDI file.

    I linked a file in my post.  Also, *any* midi file at any site i go to.  I am quite certain these are midi files, as i can download them and import them into my DAW and use the midi notes to play my synthesizers. I also can preview [space bar] the midi files after downloading them and hear what one would normally hear when playing a midi file with a generic player.

     

    As to the icon with the question mark, this is how the QT tells the user there is a playback problem requiring the user to check what is going on and to then tell the player/plug-in what to do. 

     

    How does one tell the plugin what to do?

     

    If you have QT 7 on your system and the Flip4Mac codec installed, then use the context menu to download and play the file linked to the URL depicted on this web page:

     

    http://downloads.walker4.me/downloads/Temporary.html

     

    I have QT 7 and Filp4Mac installed.  When i open your link in the browser, it plays but is silent.  When i download it and play it from my hard drive i hear the song (audio).

  • psylens Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok, nevermind the link to the file i posted. I realize now that was part of the confusion earlier in the discussion.

     

    And so i just went back to another midi file i had this problem with earlier today and now it just downloads the midi file, so i can't reproduce the issue.  I wonder if opening QT and poking around settings finally did something.

     

    So do you have a suggestion on how to get the midi file to play in my browser instead of just downloading?  They used to play in the browser fine a while back.

  • Jon Walker Level 6 Level 6 (18,125 points)

    I linked a file in my post.

    Which is the same I fixed and re-posted on my server.

     

     

    Also, *any* midi file at any site i go to.

    Which is why I downloaded two additional files prior to responding and checked all three: "Billy Jean" (your referenced file), plus "Because of You" and "I Say a Little Pyrayer."

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    As you can see here, they all contain WMA Pro audio data.

     

     

    I am quite certain these are midi files, as i can download them and import them into my DAW and use the midi notes to play my synthesizers. I also can preview [space bar] the midi files after downloading them and hear what one would normally hear when playing a midi file with a generic player.

    Since I do not normally use WMA Pro, I do not know anything regarding their MIDI compatibilities but I believe MIDI was one of the audio formats no longer supported by the QT plug-in since the release of Snow Leopard. (I.e. it is no longer listed as a supported format as QT Kirk mentioned at the top of this forum last year.)

     

     

    How does one tell the plugin what to do?

    You don't. You can convert the audio to a QT plug-in supported playback format or you can code the web page to work around the plug-in problem.

     

     

    I have QT 7 and Filp4Mac installed.  When i open your link in the browser, it plays but is silent.  When i download it and play it from my hard drive i hear the song (audio).

    Which is why I told you to download the file. In any event, I have posted (on the same web page) a screenflow movie clip (which will play in the browser) of the audio file playing on my system.

     

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  • Jon Walker Level 6 Level 6 (18,125 points)

    And so i just went back to another midi file i had this problem with earlier today and now it just downloads the midi file, so i can't reproduce the issue.  I wonder if opening QT and poking around settings finally did something.

    I assumed the the current auto downloading of files it thinks are MIDI was Apple's solution to the lack of QT plug-in playback support. As to playing the files, all you have to do is change the extension from ".mid" to ".wma" to get them to open in the QT 7 Player app with Fip4Mac installed.

     

     

    So do you have a suggestion on how to get the midi file to play in my browser instead of just downloading?  They used to play in the browser fine a while back.

    Once again, I'm not really sure about the exact timeline for Apple's changes to the QT support, but my suggustion would be to simply convert the files to AAC fast start files for internet posting/QT plug-in playback support.

     

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  • psylens Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    AAC? I can tell you think i'm pretty confused. No, really - i really really am talking about MIDI files. The ones that just have MIDI information that people use to play MIDI instruments. I import them into Ableton Live to get ideas, and/or make remixes. I apologize for the confusion on the file that i linked - i'm kindof having a bad day. But like i said - i am talking about midi files that when i clicked on the link, i got that busted looking plugin icon i posted - so i would go back and right-click on the link and download the file instead - then i could open the midi file in Ableton Live and muck around with it.

     

    Here, i'll link a real MIDI file that i had this problem with earlier today. 

     

    http://www.free-midi.org/midi1/l/lou_reed-walk_on_the_wild_side.mid

     

    But alas - i cannot reproduce the issue ever since posting this - but that is at least partially because i cannot open a MIDI file in my browser any more.  Actually - now it doesn't even download the file.... i don't know what's going on any more. Maybe i should just shut down and hope things are different tomorrow.

     

    I really apologize for crossing wires with the bad file earlier.  I can see you went thru a lot of effort to show me what you're talking about with these weird WMA files disguised as MIDI files. That is bizarre - I have never come across that issue until i jumped on this thread - which i can see now was a mistake.

  • Jon Walker Level 6 Level 6 (18,125 points)

    Here, i'll link a real MIDI file that i had this problem with earlier today.

     

    http://www.free-midi.org/midi1/l/lou_reed-walk_on_the_wild_side.mid

    Yes, this file is a "real" MIDI file. It is a MIDI file because the audio stream contained in the file is a MIDI data stream as shown here:

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    But alas - i cannot reproduce the issue ever since posting this - but that is at least partially because i cannot open a MIDI file in my browser any more.  Actually - now it doesn't even download the file.... i don't know what's going on any more. Maybe i should just shut down and hope things are different tomorrow.

     

    I really apologize for crossing wires with the bad file earlier.  I can see you went thru a lot of effort to show me what you're talking about with these weird WMA files disguised as MIDI files. That is bizarre - I have never come across that issue until i jumped on this thread - which i can see now was a mistake.

    If your question is, "How can I make online MIDI files play in my browser on a current OS Mac platform?" then my answer is, "I'm not sure you can." As I see it, your options are as follows:

     

    1) On a current system you have to download the file and play it locally.

     

    2) You can revert to an older operating system which still supports browser playback of MIDI files.

     

    3) You can search for a plug-in for your current browser that supports MIDI playback if you can find one.

     

    4) You can switch to an alternative browser that supports MIDI playback internally if you can find one.

     

     

    On the other hand, if you are posting music files to the internet on your own web site for others to listen to online, then, as I previously stated, the easiest approach would be to simply convert the MIDI source files to AAC, MP3, or some other common compression format so others won't have the problem you are experiencing.

     

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  • cruttis Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I have had no trouble in 10.6.8 but after upgrading to Mavericks NO Midi files play (NOT download)  in any of my websites in ANY Browser. The Browsers all indicate there is a missing plug-in?

     

    If I open Win7 in Parallels they play!

     

    If I use my PC laptop they play!

  • cruttis Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The only problem in playing embedded Midi files is the fact that Apple appear to no longer support such yet they continue to support embedded Midi on a PC?

     

    While searching for a solution I found there are many Professional Midi-music-makers who are quite disturbed with this.

     

    If Apple intended this it would have been only a small consideration to let the Public know that Midi, on Mavericks (& Lion/ML?) is no longer supported. They did this with Rosetta and one could decide whether to stay with Apple or go PC.

     

    Looking at plug-ins in Safari one can see Midi no longer there. One can modify Quicktime Prefs to show it but the linking is gone?

     

    Hopefully it's just the newness of Mavericks and a plugin will be forthcoming from Apple.

     

    Irrespective of this one knows that booting into Win will solve the problem. Perhaps, this is what Apple intends?

     

    Having just cloned Mavericks to internal I am seriously considering going back to 10.6.8, with embedded Midi that works; Eudora that works & GoLive 8 that works.

     

    Mavericks is good, I like it so I'll post in Developer to see what is really this 'secret' of Midi support.

  • andyBall_uk Level 7 Level 7 (20,490 points)
  • bonk22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Apple stopped supporting midi  in Mountian Lion.  The only way to get they to do it again is go to http://apple.com/feedback and complain and keep complaining until they do something.  These forums don't get read by the decision makers, feedback gets read and taken seriously.

  • AntonLargiader Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)

    the easiest approach would be to simply convert the MIDI source files to AAC, MP3, or some other common compression format so others won't have the problem you are experiencing.

     

    That's not really a solution. A MIDI file has a lot of data that would be lost if you reduce it to just an audio track. You can create a complete score from a MIDI file, change the instruments, key, tempo, etc. It's a complete orchestra with conductor. MIDI has a real reason for existing, and if I thought Apple would just drop such things on a whim I would have thought twice about converting to Mac. This whole MIDI thing is a non-issue in the rest of the computing world.

     

    For now I have downloaded QT7 and will do the various patches described in that other thread. It's just crazy that we have to do this, though, and yes I have left feedback.

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