Airport Extreme and Verizon FIOS Router?

You may have missed the part where LaPastenague summarized......

To keep it simple.. LAN on modem to WAN on the AE.

Take your pick on LAN ports, as LAN ports are all the same.

I was able to successfully duplicate what you have done. I have one perplexing issue. My devices will change their IP addressess 1o 198.168.1.1 and I have to renew their leases from time to time. Why is this occuring? I turned off the radio attenae to the actiontec router. Any ideas?

Here is a way to totally elimate the verizon router. First make sure the connection coming from the ONT is via ethernet. Next if the etherenet is currently plugged into the verizon router type in your web browser adress bar 192.168.1.1 then go to the My Network Tab. Next go to Newtork Connections in the left sidebar then click the Broadband (Coax/Ethernet) option in the list. Scroll doen and find the settings button, then look for the DHCP lease. Click realese and scroll down and click apply, quickly unplug your ethernet from the verizon router WAN and plug into the Airport Extreme WAN. Give it a few seconds to request a new lease and BAM you now have eliminated the verizon router.

NOTE: If you have FIOS TV DO THIS:

Connect the WAN port of the Verizon Router to the LAN port of the Airport extreme and connect the COAX on the Verizon Router To ANY COAX outlet in your home. MAKE SURE THAT THE WIRELESS FUNCTION IS TURNED OFF ON THE VERIZON ROUTER AND REMOTE ADMINISTRATION IS EBALED UNDER ADVANCED --> REMOTE ADMINISTRATION AND CHECK PRIMARY PORT 80 (HTTP).

Bob,

I saw your response to robmstein. I just switched today from cablevision to Fios. I have 5 Foscam IP cameras that are all configured for port forwarding through my AEBS. This is done so I can publish publicly through a dyndns service. It worked absolutely fine under Cablevision. I have changed nothing on my AEBS. I have the newest fios router (Actiontec MI424WR) with the wifi turned off. It works fine to reach the internet on my computer or iOS devices. For some reason though, something is interfering with the publishing of my cameras to my Dyndns service. The only thing I can imaging is the "double NAT" mode.

However, if I try to change to DHCP only or Bridge mode, I fear that my custom port forward settings are going to be affected.

I can reach all devices internally on my network using the port settings I have created. The only problem is the external viewing/publishing of the forwarded port due to something with the way Verizon distributes IP Addresses.

Any thoughts or suggestions will be helpful. I'm sure it's something simple.

Hi,

If your actiontec is connected to the ONT via coax then you will have to call verizon and have them send a tech out to change it from coax to Ethernet. If it is connected via Ethernet then do this.

1. Go to your web browser and type in 192.168.1.1

2. Go to my network in the top and on the sidebar on the my network page go to network connections.

3. Then click broadband (Coax/Ethernet) and scroll down to find settings then go to that page and find DHCP lease and click release and scroll down and click apply THEN IMMEDIATELY UNPLUG THE ETHERNET FROM THE WAN PORT.

4. Then plug into the wan port of the AEBS from there it will receive a new lease from the ONT and your cameras port forwarding settings should work.

It sounds as if you configured all of the port mapping on the AEBS, which requires that the AEBS run in Router Mode of DHCP and NAT.

The problem is that you have another router...the Fios modem/router or gateway also performing DHCP and NAT services on the network.

My guess is that you are not getting DHCP IP address conflicts since the Fios and AEBS use different DHCP ranges. But, you are picking up Double NAT, which will destroy port mapping.

The two possible solutions are:

1) See if Fios can provide you with a simple Bridge Mode modem.....not a modem/router or gateway.....or whether it might be possible to configure the Fios gateway as a simple bridge mode modem. I can't help with this since I have not configured a Fios device this way....don't even know if it is possible.

2) Run the Fios modem/router as is and configure the AEBS to operate in Bridge Mode. Then you will have to re-enter all of the port mapping settings on the Fios gateway, since the AEBS acts as a pass through device when it is set up in Bridge Mode. I haven't set up port forwarding or port mapping on a Fios gateway....so can't help on that either.

Hopefully a Fios expert will have some additional feedback.

I am struggling with a Verizion FIOS issue that has now become unusable. . .

Background - had FIOS for 5+ years and love it. It conflicted with my Airport Extreme from day one but since I didn't use VOD wasn't a real issue. However, I recently upgraded to the new DVR boxes and it is a problem because th conflict keeps it from functioning normally. . .won't let me pull up menus, etc. because it says it doesn't have data connectivity. This was the same issue as before but the old DVRs worked fine (just no VOD, etc).

My fios model has both coax and a WAN cable coming into it. I attach my AEBS to one of the LAN ports on the fios modem to the WAN port. From a network point of view, all is fine and I have great connectivity, etc (though I do have the double nat error). Following the instructions on this thread I switched my AEBS to BRIDGE mode and it worked (as did the new DVR box). The problem was the speed went down from 50 MBS to around 8. Not sure why but all my devices slowed way down. I rebooted, etc. and nothing changed. The good news is that the DVR worked fine, bad news the rest was so slow that is was hard to use.

So. . what do I do? I want to use my AEBS as the main (or additional) router as I have printer and disk connected) but need the connectivity to work to the new DVRs.

Thanks

Adam

Lots of wonders are posted here.

Simple people- set your apple extreme to bridge mode with dhcp if available.

Other topics read-

For extreme direct connected you need to be allowed to be seen by the provider as a trusted MAC address. This may require a call to support.

For punch through services you need to set the computer as a DMZ host or allow its ports to pass through the router. When doing this you'd better have an aggressive firewall and antivirus plus run malware bytes pAckage frequently.

The extreme has advanced options to DMZ a computer and to allow ports to pass through.

That config needs to be configured very carefully.

It is not a case of fios letting you - it's more a case for opening your services to be attacked. I would always stay behind the NAT or bridged router with Nat and DHCP running on the extreme. That hardware layer with NAT is your best firewall protection. I use avast plus malware bytes both free beyond that.

We do have endpoint problems on habit though. Some wifi iPhones goto sleep for internet access. Some express extenders don't seem to offer their point for wifi although they are setup to extend the extreme network.

I also see situations where simple bandwidth tests return horrible results.

I tried to work with fios support for two hours once and got nowhere.

If you ask me- they qos these connections by design and make trouble for paying customers- just like Comcast

Thanks for all your great advice using FIOS router and AirPort Extreme (APEx). We're trying to use Ethernet connections from FIOS router in Bridge Mode to APEx then Ethernet to iMac, XBOX, TiVO, BlueRay/DVD player, and audio receiver. Problems, A) XBOX connection gets lost/dropped often (and we don't know if this is due to our equipment/configurations or FIOS's) and B) Wifi signals are weak and things like Kindles and iPhone canno always connect to our network. Can you help with the settings we should we use for TCP/IP, DNS, WINS, 802,1x, Proxies, and Hardware? Also, How should IPv4 be configured? Right now it's set to DHCP, but we have no idea why or if thisis correct. All very confusing is that we have multiple locations listed (Automatic and a date from last month). Does the netwrok utility default bac to automatic. When I click that its for Bluetooh PAN. I must have created that configuration a while ago. Should I delete that one with Edit Locations? How do i ensure that the utility will only use the dated laocation? Thanks again for any help.

Good god man---

If in trouble - hold the reset button in back or extreme - then Follow the bridge mode setup.

Your loss of signal--- run a longer cable from your fios router and place the apple ex in a closer location.

DHCP is correct- it gives your devices network addresses to talk!

If you can't move extreme with a longer cable to a closer proximity--- buy an apple express and set it up to extend your existing network.

I hope you set a wep2 password to your wifi. It stops others from connecting without knowing the password.

Never run an open wifi as people will be connecting to it for free internet or to snoop your devices!

Use google for troubles - but your setup is correct -

The only other thing is to call fios to disable your wifi on the fios router.

That will ensure the channel is open for your extreme wifi.

Wifi can be set to many channels - apple ex has an auto where it is supposed to avoid existing channels. I've never seen auto chose anything but channel 1.

I have the ActionTec router connected by coax to my ONT. Is there a way to put it in bridge mode and control my LAN with the AEBS? I would like to use my MacMini runnning OS X server to control the AEBS as well as a VPN.

I have a FIOS issue as well.

I have the ML424WR router connected via coax, wireless turned off and I have a Airport Time Capsule Extreme and a Airport Express as a extender. I'm trying to forward ports so I can use OS X server VPN. For the life of me I can get the port forwarding to work and I think it's b/c of the combination setup I have going.

Any tips, thoughts?

You need to first port froward on the Verizon router so reset it and then port forward then turn off wireless.. If you email me at gramster1@mac.com I can help you better I am very experienced with this issue!

I Have had the same type problem with Fios and AirPort Extreme. Internet connection frequently dropped and for some reason bridge mode on the AP didn't help. My problem was solved by using a Verizon Wireless Ethernet Coax Bridge . It is sold as extender for the Fios wireless router/modem, ( part WCB3000N ) but I used it differently . I have the coax from the wall into the WECB and then an Ethernet cable from it to the wan on the Extreme. The coax also goes to the Fios router, but there is no longer a cable to the Extreme.

THIS WILL FIX EVERYONES ISSUES!!!!

You need to call Verizon and tell them you want to have a tech come out and switch your ONT from COAX to Ethernet. This is how the setup will work after the switch. This will work regardless of TV and/or phone. It will be Ethernet (from ONT) --> to WAN of Airport Base Station --> Then Ethernet from LAN of Airport Base Station (to wan of FIOS Router) --> then if you have FIOS TV you would go COAX from COAX on FIOS Router to Cable lines in house. Turn wireless off on FIOS router and use airport extreme as main router for Ports and DHCP!