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Airport Extreme and Verizon FIOS Router?

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OzziesMAC Level 2 Level 2 (150 points)
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Apr 7, 2011 10:21 AM
I have a Verizon FIOS router that I thought I could just replace with my Airport Extreme, but it turns out that my router also provides needed information to the TV and it can not be removed from the chain.

Is it best to hardwire from;
Outside Cable > Verizon Router > Airport Extreme
or
Outside Cable > Airport Extreme > Verizon Router
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  • Tesserax Level 8 Level 8 (47,560 points)
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    Apr 7, 2011 10:25 AM (in response to OzziesMAC)
    Either option would work, but I would recommend the first using the Verizon router as your main Internet router. In this configuration, be sure to reconfigure the AirPort Extreme as a bridge to allow the Verizon router to provide both NAT & DHCP services for network clients connected to either router.

    (ref: AirPort Utility > Select the AirPort Extreme > Manual Setup > Internet > Internet Connection > Connection Sharing = Off (Bridge Mode))
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  • Tesserax Level 8 Level 8 (47,560 points)
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    Apr 7, 2011 10:42 AM (in response to OzziesMAC)
    Sorry, NAT is a service that allows you to receive a single IP address from the ISP and share it with multiple network clients on the local network; DHCP is a service that provides clients on the local network with their needed IP addresses. They work in tandem.

    In bridge mode, the AEBSn will no longer be performing as a router, but it will continue to perform as both a Wireless Access Point (WAP) and Ethernet switch. You can also continue to use the AEBSn to share a USB printer/HDD.

    Will this give the AE a discrete Private IP address?


    By default, the AEBSn will receive a dynamic IP address from the Verizon router's DHCP server. I would recommend that you use the AirPort Utility to configure the AEBSn with a static Private IP address just outside of the Verizon's DHCP server range. For example, if the Verizon router is providing IP addresses in the 192.168.0.2 - 192.168.0.150 range, configure your AEBSn to use 192.168.0.151.
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  • Tesserax Level 8 Level 8 (47,560 points)
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    Apr 7, 2011 10:51 AM (in response to OzziesMAC)
    One more question, you said in Bridge the AE will no longer be able to perform as a router, do you mean I will not be able to directly connect a device to its ports for direct internet service vs wireless?


    No, not at all. Both wired and wireless devices can still connect to the AEBSn and get their Internet access from the AEBSn by way of the Verizon router. Sorry for any confusion!
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  • Tesserax Level 8 Level 8 (47,560 points)
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    Apr 7, 2011 12:06 PM (in response to OzziesMAC)
    You're very welcome! Not to worry, if you come across an AirPort networking issue, just go ahead and post away. Someone will be happy to offer assistance. That's how most of us "learned." Before you know it, you'l become an expert and I will look forward to having your join in with helping others.
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  • evansintx Calculating status...
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    Apr 7, 2011 8:40 PM (in response to Tesserax)
    I was pretty bummed to find out that when you run it in bridge mode, you lose the ability to create a guest network...one if the reasons I bought it. In addition to that, the VZ router will not be able to run at the same speed the AAEX so you lose a little of that in bridge mode too. So I wired outside internet >> AAEX >> VZ Actiontec router and had an Actiontec and Verizon support rep on the phone while we did it. He had me go through the VZ menu for my TV and all worked as it should. I was able to pull up the widgets and VOD without any problems. I like the FIOS router firmware but am getting more functionally from my AAEX.
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    Apr 24, 2011 1:13 PM (in response to OzziesMAC)

    For a long time I've been using a linksys router in place of the Verizon provided router which died.

    I just got an aiport extreme which I though would be trivial to use in place of the linksys router. However, if I connect the airport to the FIOS feed the airport doesn't connect to the internet. I spent some time on the phone with apple support, and the support guy thought it ought to just work! He proposed "turning the modem on and off" but there is nothing to power cycle.

     

    As a temporary kludge I have the airport running in bridge mode connected to the linksys - but this seems very silly! Does anyone have any suggestions here?  The airport is a refurbished model so I guess I'm suspicious it's not working right. However, it does seem to work fine as a bridge.

     

    Thanks!

  • capopp Calculating status...
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:21 AM (in response to neutralino)

    Whenever, you change physical devices on FIOS you have to get a new lease from verizon.  According to verizon, there are 3 ways to do this.

     

    1. Call verizon tech support and have them release/renew the lease

     

    2. Disconnet the device and wait a couple of hours for the lease to renew automatically.

     

    3. Access the control panel on the verizon router and click the 'renew lease' button and then disconnect the router before it picks up a new lease and then connect your new device.

  • cyberbiker Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
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    Dec 25, 2011 8:50 PM (in response to Tesserax)

    [Tesserax]<<I would recommend that you use the AirPort Utility to configure the AEBSn with a static Private IP address just outside of the Verizon's DHCP server range.>>

     

    Will the ISP still trano/from AEBS, if their IPs are not within the range of IP addresses the ISP specifiied?

     

    My setup will be ISP>Extreme 802.11n > ethernet > 4@Express 802.11n bridges > wifi client computers.

     

    Would it be better to use DHCP at the Extreme and Express base stations or WDS?

  • cyberbiker Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
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    Dec 25, 2011 9:18 PM (in response to cyberbiker)

    Apple server messed up while I was editing my post.  Here is the correct one.

     

    My setup will be ISP>Extreme 802.11n > ethernet > 4@Express 802.11n bridges > wifi client computers.

     

    1.  Would it be better to use DHCP at the Extreme and Express base stations on a roaming network or WDS?

     

    2.  It seems that on the main BS (Extreme) Connection Sharing pop-up we can choose "Share a public IP address" or "Distribute a range of IP addresses".  Does the former mean the remote BS (Express in bridge mode) must be set to WDS and the latter mean the remote BS is set to DHCP?

     

    3.  Would it be better to designate specific IP addresses for the four remote BS?

     

    Thanks for sharing your kowledge.

  • mappingman Calculating status...
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    Feb 21, 2012 5:07 PM (in response to OzziesMAC)

    This is all well and good if you only have 1 AE and 1 Verizon Router. I have a network with 1 TM, 1 AE and 1 AEx all working in a WDS network (TM as main and the other 2 as remote). I'm guessing if I use Verizon's FORCED network, I'll have to conform to their subnet ranges, etc. This is rediculous that a company forces it's customers into a single groove, just because they didn't think through the possibilities (or more likely just didn't give a crap).

     

    On a side note, the Airport Utility that comes with Lion is the biggest piece of crap. I'm glad they allow the previous version to run on Lion. At least for now.

     

    What a night mare Verizon has created for it's customers that actually have the ability and knowledge to configure their network they way they would like it to be configured.

  • henryfromny Calculating status...
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    Mar 11, 2012 9:58 AM (in response to OzziesMAC)

    Here's a question:  hopefully somebody can help.  Just got Fios installed.  Their router is connected to my Airport extreme.  Everything is running fine except one thing.  I've alway had a USB external drive connected to my Airport and done Time Machine backups wirelessly.  Now, since fios, no go.  In Airport utility, the drive is there. But, Time Machine can no longer find it.   Anyone?

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