ATV 2 as classroom presentation device

I'd like to be able to use the new apple TV (2nd gen) as a media presentation device in multiple classrooms and have it available to a dozen faculty.

Problem 1 is the ATV will not be allowed onto the university network at this time.
I may be allowed to have them all on a private network that faculty can connect to for presentations.
Problem 2 The internet will not be accessible to this network so home sharing cannot be authorized. Is home sharing authorization absolutely needed?


Any suggestions to allow presenters to stream their office libraries to these ATVs?

iPhone4, iOS 4, Mixed labs of iMacs, minis and MacPros OS9 - 10.6

Posted on Apr 7, 2011 9:18 PM

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Apr 14, 2011 1:57 PM in response to BnJmn42

Seems to me that if the content is not "protected", and the ATV is correctly participating in the LAN, you should be able to see LAN shares fine. I think the authorization issue will only arise if "protected" content is used.

I'm speculating because I'm almost 100% sure I've watched videos from my iMac over the LAN on my ATV while the internet was dead (cable outage).

So the scenario you outline seems reasonably feasible.

Hopefully, someone can confirm the LAN use theory.

It would seam unreasonable that one HAS TO HAVE INTERNET to use the feature that allows one to stream personal video from a computer.

Apr 17, 2011 11:15 AM in response to BnJmn42

Things I have discovered thus far.


1. AT2 cannot be run as or connect to an adhoc nework so a there is the requirement of having a router (wireless or otherwise)

2. directly connecting the ATVs to the router deactivates the wifi side of the ATV and client computers will have to connect to the ATV via the router. For this classroom application it is not possible to all connect to a central wifi device so I would have to opt for a rogue hot spot in each classroom. For test this was APexpress.

As I mentioned, these are not allowed on the university network so they cannot get to the internet.


3. iOS devices and computers can push to the ATVs but in surprisingly different manners.

iOS will push music photos and youtubes, but not device rendered videos.

Laptops (via iTunes 10+) are able to push music and properly formatted videos directly to the ATVs but not photos.


4 Home Sharing can open up a bit more capabilities like sharing a computers compete media library that can be browsed via ATV or searched via iOS device (pretty spetacular). BUT there are some limitation in regards to this project being a closed network. In order to activate homesharing you have to connect the ATVs to the internet ONCE to set up the home sharing acount. Once the ATVs and the computer containing the media library have been activated they can run on the closed network fine. Note: I do not know about protected media needing reauthorization at every play instance. Most everyting we have is of our own live recordings and productions.


So, Yes this can work... sort of.


I will be working with our IT dept to find solutions in their end. But I will still have a bit of a limitation due to the limit of 1 home sharing account per ATV. In order for faculty to present his complete media library in any one of the several classrooms they will all have authorized their computers as the same homeshare user that is bound to the ATVs. The current limit is 5 authorizations.


....so close, and yet, still on another planet.


Oh, and It would be nice to through up PDFs directly to a ATVs

Apr 17, 2011 11:59 AM in response to Chenks

Thanks for the reply,


Regarding #1 I keep running into other forms where users are unable to connect to adhoc nets (ie one generated from a laptop) I tried myself two different ways. What is the method?


#3 does video shot on iphone need to be formated for appleTV before it will play from a phone to the ATV?


#2&4 Yes, this is obvious but it had to clarifed to demonstrate the project is on a private network.

Apr 24, 2011 2:31 PM in response to Chenks

Thanks for the replys and corrections Chenks. I do not doubt that you are correct, but I have still not had any success getting the ATV2 to join an adhoc network. But that may be moot as this project may no longer be restriced to a private network.


The university is willing to work with our dept (music) and is willing to allow the ATV2s on our vlan.


FYI to any following this topic:


The curently desired configuration will allow for the faculty to join the university wireless network as normal.

IT says they will be able to allow registered users or devices (facutly) to "poke" through the firewall that separate the wireless masses and see our buildings vlan. This should allow the devices to connect to the hardwired ATVs in classrooms and the hardwired desktops in offices.

ATVs appear to use a broad range of ports. Right now we are figuring out what ports need to open on the wireless and what ones to close on the vlan.


If all goes well, Faculty will be able to present in class media that is on their device, on their office desktop or from a central master library.


Bonus is that AirPlay looks to be getting more apps. Keynote will be a welcome addition.

Sep 8, 2012 3:36 PM in response to AZPeter2012

It's been a year now, Things have progressed. We have been and are still implementing an AirPlay savvy environment for our faculty at our university. Campus has been going through a series of security audits and has had to proceed with caution with this.

As far as what ports are used, refer to this http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2463


Here is what we have done.

Net admin is now providing a wifi network that is used only for wireless presentations. This is a Cisco network with Aruba access points. This presentation network is unsecured for lower latency and it allows all mDNS traffic (bonjour, AirPlay, etc). This network is closed, hidden and part of the existing campus network architecture. Access to the internet fom this network can only be had by authenticated users (faculty/staff). Currently all devices and libraries have to be on this one network. The Apple TVs had to be granted firewall pinholes to the internet for access to apple's time server. If the apple tvs need access to any online resources then port 80 must also be opened. I will note that leaving port 80 closed eliminates all the apple store movie/music promotions and leaves only two selectible options, Computers(homesare libraries) and Settings. This certainly keeps classroom distraction to a minimum but disables YouTube and other useful class resources. Serving up our .local in house content to this network is a mac mini server hosting 5 itunes libraries, 4 of which have homeshare enabled to match all the Dept. appleTVs. 1 library has its "Automatically Add to iTunes" folder shared as a faculty sharepoint in order to provide a way for teachers to populate this library with class specific material. Using the Remote app, faculty can create and manage playlists without needing to sit down at specific computer. The only major annoyance of using the remote app is that when launched it attempts to touch the internet. This in turn trigers the authentication for internet access login so a user has to pause ounce in a while to authenticate. Apple has not had a response to this as of yet.


Here is what we still want to do:

We need to look into localizing all dept resources into one zone. Preferably one that can bridge the wired vlan and this wifi presentation networks. The reasons for this are: A) keep the list of resources specific to its dept. B) Allowing the media computers to stream directly to the appleTVs via wired network in order to increase media load times and reduce impact on campus wifi bandwidth. This bridging of networks is where the security and management issue for ITS.


As it turns out, there are companies tailoring products to address this. Auba and Aerohive networks are offering what is being called an mDNS gateway function. I hope to see a working test soon.


This is a far cry from where we started but its complexity has added many benefits. BUT, in the case of straight in-classroom airplay presentation I would stick with adhoc as Chenks suggests. Its far less complicated and getting permissions are minimal depending on who you ask 😉


On a side note, I've also tinked with a MAC and PC app (AirServer) that turns most any computer with a projector into an AirPlay receiver. An in-classroom computer wired to the network and using a projector as an extended desktop rocks quite nicely providing in-classroom adhoc wifi for AirPlay. Not sure how the school is gonna feel about this test, but since I didn't ask, permission was not denied. 🙂


Hope that helps.

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