6 Replies Latest reply: Dec 9, 2012 2:51 PM by Loksa
Harrietwj Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
I can't find a way to make a loop play in different keys during a song. You can change the overall key for a song, but not for just one loop or a part of that loop. What's the point of having loops if they play in the same key all through the song? For example all other instruments - which are not loops - play in A for four bars and then in D the next four bars. The loop will just go on i A, if that's the key you have entered for the song.

In the 'real' Garageband for Mac you can do all sorts of things with loops, including changing their key. And that's what I thought the main feature was for Apple Loops.

iPad, Other OS
  • 1. Re: Change loop key
    drumrrgrrl Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    What is the "real" garageband vs. the unreal one? I have the installed program in my macbook pro. How can you change the key or tempo of loops, within the song? I want to change the chord progression to create a whole song, not just a loop....there are not enough options in the loop library to create songs progressions....am I making sense? If I find a loop in another key or tempo, can I change the key or tempo so I can use it in a song of another key or tempo?
  • 2. Re: Change loop key
    Harrietwj Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    With the 'real' one I ment the original that has been around for a long time and only run on computers. There are many more options in the original program, which is not surprising. You CAN change the keyp for a loop if you change the key of the whole song. But then you get the same chord/note all thorugh the song. The tempo also changes for the loop if you change the overall tempo. You can't find a loop in another key or with another tempo. They are all the same after you chosen key/ tempo for the song. Obviously somewhere inside the soundbank of Garageband all these keys and tempi exist for loops, but you can't choose wich one to use.
  • 3. Re: Change loop key
    Googsy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well It would seem that APPLE should perhaps concentrate on the Graphic Art market and the fancy

    pacaging and Hyp market and leave composing music to the Musicians.....Yes I'm disapointed..

    The most basic and fundamental things of an original musical composition is ,

    to freely arrange a chord progression which is Melodic and is set forth to touch the heart and soul. .

    After all Music is, in it's true essence, An Emotion and a true heart felt feeling ....

    Apple have not allowed this basic instict with Garage Band so that true Artists like ourselves can

    be set free to create new and original Music that is forever spinning around inside our minds.

    We simply want to get our musical ideas down as a recording of what we hear in our minds ears

    before we forget them. Let me say that when I imagine a piece of music , Groove , Lick , Beat or arrangement,

    I hear absolutely everything from drums through instruments and down to all the voclals , harmonies etc ..

    If there was a piece of equipment that I could plug into my head and extract what my minds ear hears.,

    I would not be living like a peasant ... Ha! Don't worry It'll happen one day.

     

    Garage Band is not the answer.

    I'll continue to do it the old school way.

    In fact I've just purchased a ZOOM R16 Interface digital Controller

    In 3 days I've done more than the Garage Band Toy.

    Go the ZOOM R16 It's eazy. Real time freedom.... Yippie!!!!!

  • 4. Re: Change loop key
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,780 points)

    The most basic and fundamental things of an original musical composition is ,

    to freely arrange a chord progression which is Melodic and is set forth to touch the heart and soul. .

    But you can do chord progressions in GarageBand - I am doing it all the time: Select a loop in the Time Line and adjust the pitch slider - this will transpose the loop in semitone steps.

    For software instrument loops it is very simple:

    If I want a basic guitar accompanyment with a chord progression, a pick a nice guitar loop from the loop browser and set the pitch slider to zero for the basic chord, and to "7" for the quinte, to "5" for the quart.

    pitch2.png

    For real instrument loops you need to  select it, and in the track editor enable "follow tempo and pitch" and adjust the pitch slider. You will see the transposition in the lower left corner of the loop (in semi tone steps).

    pitch.png

    To control the tempo for parts of a song use the "tempo" automation curve of the Master track. You can change the tempo freely within you song.

     

    This is just to point out some GarageBand features you might have missed.

    With everything else you have said about making music coming from the heart I agree:

    after all Music is, in it's true essence, An Emotion and a true heart felt feeling ....

    Regards

    Léonie


  • 5. Re: Change loop key
    Edgar Level 4 Level 4 (1,185 points)

    Googsy wrote:

     

    Well It would seem that APPLE should perhaps concentrate on the Graphic Art market and the fancy

    pacaging and Hyp market and leave composing music to the Musicians.....Yes I'm disapointed..

     

     

     

    After all Music is, in it's true essence, An Emotion and a true heart felt feeling ....

    Apple have not allowed this basic instict with Garage Band so that true Artists like ourselves can

    be set free to create new and original Music that is forever spinning around inside our minds.

    We simply want to get our musical ideas down as a recording of what we hear in our minds ears

    before we forget them.

     

    I hear a lot of "want' and "demands" from a true Artist, but with all due respect from a fellow artist, you are overlooking something here.

     

    If a true Artist wants to put down his inspiration, he uses a pen and writes down his music. In case an Artist hasn't learned to write music notation, does he blame the company that makes the pen or paper?

    Ok, pen and paper is outdated. If you want to "get your musical ideas down as a recording", then you rent a recording studio and hire a sound engineer who learned his profession and helps you do that. Ok, that is outdated too.

    You might have noticed that composers/musicians are nowadays their own engineers. The problem is, that this is a total separate field, a very technical and sometimes complicated one. Although the available tools are (seem to be) easy to use, they need some level of training. You can call yourself an artist by putting together some beats or be the DJ (who is spinning the music of other Artists), but with recording technology, you will be confronted very fast with your own limitation if you don't learn that field.

     

     

    You use pretty strong words to accuse Apple or trash GarageBand. Think about the following:

     

     

    I like to fly, I like to feel the emotion of gliding through the air. I go to company X and by their airplane Y. However, I'm frustrated because I can't get that thing of the ground to fulfill my dreams of flying. What is the logical step. I badmouth the airplane Y and accuse company X for limiting my dreams, they should make hamburgers and not airplanes.

     

    Makes sense?

     

    Or, I grab the manual (that thing that explains how to use things), educate myself, learn how to fly and learn how to use an airplane first before complaining.

     

    I'm all for ease of use and intuitive user interface. Maybe you don't need to read up on a manual to play Angry Birds, but GarageBand and all the other DAWs are music production applications that require a bit of understanding of "music production" and their underlying technology and procedure. Some apps are easier (limited feature set), some are more complex (Logic, ProTools). Anything that is confusing or not clear can be read in documentations or watched on countless YouTube videos. Or come to the Forum with a specific question that is not clear "AFTER" reading the documentation.

     

    Unfortunately, there is a sense of "entitlement" with people. "That stuff needs to work, why is it not working". If not, someone else has to spend their time to explain it instead that user spent his own time first and does the research. The acronym RTFM is kind of rude but unfortunately the only response in many requests.

     

    LeonieDF spent his time to write up a great response, even made some niece graphics. This is not a tip for trouble shooting, it is not some hidden feature or some complex technology that needed to be explained further. This is the basic functionality explained in the documentation that every user has access to.

     

     

    Please note that this is not a personal attack, just a general observation. If you are looking for opinion, tips, troubleshooting help, you will find plenty of helpful, professional and highly skill people on the forum. If someone asks questions on the forum "… I read that thing xyz and tried it but I still don't get it …" then there is no problem with. Remember, a Tutor is there to help someone with their homework, not doing the homework for them.

     

    About the problems with Apple Loops.

    As with many "easy to use" technologies, you don't have to know the details in the background. However, if you are stuck, then it helps to know the mechanics. Knowing about the "Follow Tempo & Pitch" feature, what it does, how it relates to the Transient Markers. Knowing that Apple Loops are "special" audio files" with additional information that makes the Apple Loop magic work.

     

    I wrote a free manual just for Apple Loops to explain the topic and the background

    http://dingdingmusic.com/DingDing/ManualsFree.html

     

    I also have a highly visual manual for GarageBand 11 that also explains the implementation of Apple Loops especially in GarageBand

    http://DingDingMusic.com/Manuals/

     

     

    Either way, with a little invested time of reading up on the subject, one will find that the technology (in this case Apple Loops) can be used to its full extend. Ultimately, this enables you to make music with Garageband that is "… in it's true essence, an Emotion and a true heart felt feeling …"

     

     

    Hope that helps

     

     

    Edgar Rothermich

     

    http://DingDingMusic.com/Manuals/

    'I may receive some form of compensation, financial or otherwise, from my recommendation or link.'

  • 6. Re: Change loop key
    Loksa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I wander the same thing. I have read everything i find, but i can not find any methods to change the key for a loop. The problem is only on Ipad.... Have you get any answear how to change the key now????? All the beautiful samles is unusable if its not possible to change the key on Ipad.