Portrait AND Landscape in same show?

Hi guys,

I've used PowerPoint for years in teaching, and I'd like to move away from it toward something more reliable (that's actually built for OS X). To that end, I'm playing around with Keynote to see what it can do for me, and I have a question about its capabilities.

I've always wanted to be able to have portrait (longer than wide) AND landscape (wider than long) formatted slides in the same presentation (instead of making clunky links to other presentations). Is there a way to do this in Keynote (perhaps using an Applescript)? I can't even seem to figure out how to change the formatting (portrait vs. landscape) for slide viewing (not just printing).

Any help you guys could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Barbara

eMac, Mac OS X (10.3.9), Keynote 2.0.2

Posted on Jan 4, 2006 1:37 PM

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Jan 4, 2006 1:59 PM in response to Barbara Carlsward

why would you want to do this? The screen is always the same shape, it is what it is. If you use a tall screen, putting a wide slide on it would simply shrink the slide. Same with a wide screen and a tall slide.

Why not just make the slides you want vertical BLACK, and stick your stuff on them, leaving the sides of the slide empty so the image or object looks tall.

Jan 5, 2006 8:24 AM in response to Brian Peat

Thanks for your reply Brian, but putting everything in landscape (with black edges for longer objects) isn't quite the same thing. As an analogy, I generally print documents out on 8.5x11 paper (the paper being analogous to the presentation screen). If I have a picture that's wider than long, it would make more sense to print in landscape format (I can get more print onto the page without shrinking it down as much on the same-sized paper). If I have a picture that's longer than wide, it would make the most sense to print it in portrait (on the same-sized paper), rather than shrinking the length (and consequently the width) so the picture is smaller.

Why would I want to have portrait and landscape slides in the same show? For the same reason you might print portrait AND landscape pages in a word-processor document (all of which is printed on 8.5x11 paper): because I have some really long diagrams (say 10 x 3) that are practically useless if I insert them into a landscape formatted document. However, most of my presentation looks best in landscape (wider than long).

Anyone else have any suggestions?

Thanks!
Barbara

Jan 5, 2006 9:40 AM in response to Barbara Carlsward

The problem is, screen and print are TOTALLY different. In print, you can simply turn your document and look at it wide instead of tall.

On a screen though, which is wide, when you hit a tall slide, it still can't be any taller than the wide slides, so it gets shrunk. The ONLY benefit I can see is if you're going to print your slides, otherwise, you're doing nothing more than shrinking the tall slides anyway when you put them on the screen. If the projector is 1024x768 pixels...putting a tall image on there means it can STILL only be 768 pixels tall...so you even if Keynote let you make tall slides together with wide slides, it would shrink them till they're no different than a wide slide.

I hope that makes sense.

Jan 5, 2006 8:04 PM in response to Barbara Carlsward

Good morning Barbara

The problem with what you are asking is that Keynote is not designed to do what you want it to do. I believe you are wanting to use it as both a presentation program, where all your stuff is formatted for on screen, and you also want to have everything formatted for the best possible printing.

The truth is you cannot. Keynote is devoted to presenting ideas on screen. To that end it has certain limitations, one of which is the inability to have various sized slides because, frankly, it is only going to be used to display items on the same screen throughout the presentation.

Even when printing your items out, to get the very best results you will have to use two programs to do what you want. One program organized for printing, and one for presentations.

You can print those items from a layout program, like Pages or Word, and you can print the rest of the slides from Keynote. You just can't use Keynote to do both.

Perhaps, in the future, there will be a way to have specially designated 'hidden' slides which have varying widths (but not height) so the printing is more streamlined, but right now you cannot. Print them separately, shuffle them together for handouts (or for photocopying using ltr-r and legal paper)

If you want to see additions to the way Keynote behaves, request improvements using the feedback link at the head of this forum. If enough people ask for it, there is a higher chance of it being implemented in the next version of Keynote.

Gerry

Jan 6, 2006 8:26 AM in response to Gerry Straathof

Thank you, everyone, for replying so quickly. What you guys said makes sense, but I'm positive that slides look differently in portrait vs. landscape (along with picture size)....So, I did some tests this morning on my PowerBook 12" and the LCD projector we have in our department. I made a portrait slide and landscape slide with a really long, slender picture in Powerpoint. I also imported those slides into Keynote and saved respective portrait and landscape key files....What I found was that in both Powerpoint and Keynote the portrait image was about 2.25" wide on the projector screen. In landscape mode (for both programs), then image was only 2" wide. Again, what you guys said makes sense, but the empirical data show that the projector does work more like printed paper (a long slender image will cover more surface area on a page if it's printed on portrait, not landscape).

I think I figured out the answer to my question in playing more with Keynote, though. I tried transferring the imported portrait slide to a landscape Keynote presentation, and it changed it to landscape (visibly shrinking the picture on my monitor). So, it looks like what I want to do isn't possible in Keynote (or Powerpoint) yet.

Thanks again to everyone!
Barbara

Jan 6, 2006 8:53 AM in response to Barbara Carlsward

I'm curious as to what you are seeing and how you may be coming about those results. You're not standing the projector on it's side, are you? 🙂 Just kidding...

If you have some time, create a white box of a specific size on a green background (not an image as there may be other resizing going on with images) that will expand across the screen as IF it was a picture. In other words, create a rectangular shape of a certain known pixel dimension, then make sure when you're doing the comparison that these dimensions are adhered to.

If there IS some specific instance where this is beneficial, I'm sure people would want to know!

Jan 6, 2006 10:28 AM in response to Kyn Drake

That's a great suggestion.....I made a rectangle in Powerpoint portrait page setup that was 3" wide x 10" long. When I pasted that same rectangle into a landscape page (still Powerpoint), I could only see a 3" x 7.5" rectangle. I opened the portrait rectangle slide in Keynote, and it was 215 px wide x 719 px long. Then I pasted that rectangle into a new Keynote landscape document, and I could only see a 215 px x 559 px rectangle. If you'd like to look at the Powerpoint and Keynote files I made, go to the bottom of this page ( http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/barbarac/Links.htm).

While I had the portrait Keynote file open, I added a new slide and tried to apply a landscape style to just the second slide. Keynote just shrank the landscape-formatted second slide to fit inside the width of the first portrait slide (this is also linked to the site above, if you want to take a look). When I tried to change the dimensions of the theme, Keynote would only let me change to a wider than long (landscape) slide if I chose "apply to all slides."

It would be REALLY cool if we could figure this out. I'll never go back to Powerpoint again!

Barbara

Jan 6, 2006 12:44 PM in response to Barbara Carlsward

Barbara,

here's the explanation why you couldn't post the Keynote file:

Both Keynote and Pages files are in fact bundles, directories that contain all files belonging to a Keynote or Pages document (i.e. images, videos, sounds, and a zipped xml file). Right-click (ctrl-click) on a Keynote "file" and choose "Show Package Contents" from the contextual menu.

To exchange Keynote or Pages files you should choose from the contextual menu "Create Archive of xyz".

Jan 6, 2006 3:25 PM in response to Barbara Carlsward

Now, what happens when you project those? What about when you view them on your monitor?

I don't think you're going to achieve portrait and landscape in the same show, but I'm really interested in what you're seeing when you project because by looking at these files on my monitor (which is just like the array a projector uses to display, the green area to the right and left don't reach as far as with the landscape version.

Jan 7, 2006 8:37 AM in response to Kyn Drake

Thanks to Matthias' help, I fixed the Keynote file links (now they're zip files). You guys are great....

I also checked out the rectangles on the LCD projector this morning, and I've posted pdf representations of what I see projected on the screen from the LCD projector. The short of it is that the projector is indeed 1024 x 768, but slides (portrait or landscape) don't ever take up the entire projected area (see pdf, the black is what's projected by the LCD projector and the white is the physical screen the image is projected onto). This explains the my confusion from earlier posts, but it doesn't really solve my problem. I suspect (as Kyn suggests) that having both slide types in one presentation is impossible for now.

For anyone interested in presenting both types of slides in a presentation, the way to do it is by making separate presentations and linking them. I've got the most experience with Powerpoint, but I'm sure I can figure out Keynote.

Thanks to everyone for your help. I don't know what I'd do without this forum.

Barbara

Jan 7, 2006 9:42 AM in response to Barbara Carlsward

Forgive me for beating a dead horse everyone, and you if I am still not understanding this, Barbara.

If you don't want the black rectangle to show on the projection screen, an you use the Blank White theme? You only have to use this for those slides which have the taller images.

Personally, if showing the taller images was more important, and you wanted to give as much detail as possible, I would place an image the same width as the slide and place it so it is just at the bottom of the slide and have it scroll upwards using one of the build-ins.

(hint: change the zom of the slide to 50% and you will see areas to the right and bottom of the slide that you can place items in)

The only thing is that you cannot have it scroll off the slide without a little bit more work.

You can also have the image pause at cerrtain points to clarify details in the placed object (image or graph) but that could take a bit more work.

I think (and please don't take offence at this) you may be working too hard on this and not considering alternative methods for getting your information across to the audience...

What is the goal of the presentation, in the most basic terms, the topic and the desired result. We've only heard the problems you are having with a very specific point, but I am sure there will be better ways of doing what you want that we can help you with.

Gerry

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