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iOS device tracking - we need details of how to disable (urgently)

Dear Apple,


You might not consider that your users privacy is important, however we do take a different view. It has become clear that iOS devices write location and time information to a clear text file that is then automatically synced via iTunes back to our primary computers. This is not acceptable and you need to make a public statement about why this is happnening and confirming what steps we can take to ensure this is not the default behaviour.


From what I can see this leaves the following attack vectors open:


1 - Direct iOS vulerability expliot, we know that iOS has had a history of vulnerabilities, all it could take is someone directing a user to a pdf file that has an un-disclosed or un-patched vulnerability, this could possibly open this file for access and exploitation


2 - Simple access from backup stored by iTunes on PCs, perhaps it's time to enable encryption by default?? A utility has been released that reads this automatically and plots location over time on a map.



PS - Word of warning to everyone, don't run the utility to plot your location unless you want to give away your location and time to the map provider.

Posted on Apr 20, 2011 5:08 PM

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Apr 22, 2011 6:12 PM in response to Matthew Morgan

My evidence for what? How about Apple's TOS? It tells you right there that they are collecting your location, how much more proof do you need? This data has already been used many times in court cases and forensics, Apple should have known this would get out... I'm sure Apple isnt using this data for anything bad, but the fact that it is there makes it possible for someone with truely evil intentions to use it. I wouldnt doubt at all that because of this some people ended relationships or worse.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20056344-281.html

Apr 22, 2011 6:22 PM in response to Stasis88

Stasis88 wrote:


"This is an over-dramatized, poorly reported issue typical of most media "news" outlets looking to improve readership/viewership for advertising revenue purposes. I can find more information about anyone that I might want from websites like intellisus.com and peoplesearch.com than anything that is privately stored on our iPhones or iPads. When will people smarten-up and understand that most "private" data is available as open-source information on the web. Our education system is failing us! Jeesh!"


LOL, what BS reply! This is NOT privately stored data, you really think Apple would have a database of your location and risk this kind of bad press if they were not collecting that data? NO! Our education system is failing us because people dont want huge corporations knowing where we are at all times? Really? That is all you have come up with?

It is sent to apple but ANONYMOUSLY. There is absolutely NO identifier in the data that can be used to identify you to the location data. In fact I believe the device generates a new code every 24 hours.

Apr 22, 2011 8:00 PM in response to Matthew Morgan

You dont get it, people are not too concerned with Apple, and only Apple knowing where you are all of the time. If it is there for them it is there for someone with evil intentions. So if Apple decides to turn on your camera and take photos whenever they want that is ok too because your phone has a camera? So by your logic every feature of my phone should only be there if I dont mind Apple using it whenever they want without me knowing???

Apr 22, 2011 8:06 PM in response to Matthew Morgan

Stop with your whats your evidence BS... Apple states clearly that they collect location data in their TOS that you have to agree to. They wouldnt put that in there if they were not doing it. What you dont have any evidence of is if it is indeed anonymous. Here's a hint, NOTHING on the internet is anonymous, by design. Your iPhone is just like a computer, it has an IP address and it transmits it's data just like a computer does. Why do you think the RIAA and MPAA can track you down if you share music/movies? Just because they dont store a unique identifier in the same file as your location does not mean anything!

Apr 22, 2011 8:22 PM in response to Stasis88

Actually, I kind of like this tracking feature. Last year my car broke down in the middle of nowhere and I called AAA and told them I didn't know where I was and they said "your phone is telling us your coordinates" and a tow truck was out there within minutes.


I really don't care much if someone can tell where I am going. What do I have to hide? They can have that "data." People can see you going places anyway (the old fashioned way, with their eyeballs).


If you have something to hide, turn off your iphone while you doing whatever, or just buy an old school device that is simply a phone, like my wife's pay as you go $25 Nokia thing, and use that when you are going places you don't want anyone to know about. Who says you have to have an iphone anyway?

Apr 22, 2011 8:37 PM in response to Stasis88

" I guess you wouldnt care if some stalker hacked into your daughter's phone and found out every place she frequents..."


That's pretty far fetched. Sorry, I'm trying to get worked up here, but it's not happening. (And I have an 18-year old daughter, by the way. Sometimes I'd like to know where she is, in fact ...)


People have been quite effectively stalked in the past long before iphones or GPS were invented. This is not really anything new, and I would think it a lot easier the old fashioned way than this hacker way.


While you're at it, aren't you going to worry about the Garmin and Magellan GPS units that come built into automobiles, or the portable ones that are ubiquitous. By the way, cell phone providers can routinely pinpoint someone's location when their phone is powered on, GPS or no GPS. In fact they are required to be able to do this by law. Without GPS it can be done via triangulation, and while it's much less accurate than GPS, it still does pretty well. You might as well start worrying about these other things too, while you're at it.

iOS device tracking - we need details of how to disable (urgently)

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