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iOS device tracking - we need details of how to disable (urgently)

Dear Apple,


You might not consider that your users privacy is important, however we do take a different view. It has become clear that iOS devices write location and time information to a clear text file that is then automatically synced via iTunes back to our primary computers. This is not acceptable and you need to make a public statement about why this is happnening and confirming what steps we can take to ensure this is not the default behaviour.


From what I can see this leaves the following attack vectors open:


1 - Direct iOS vulerability expliot, we know that iOS has had a history of vulnerabilities, all it could take is someone directing a user to a pdf file that has an un-disclosed or un-patched vulnerability, this could possibly open this file for access and exploitation


2 - Simple access from backup stored by iTunes on PCs, perhaps it's time to enable encryption by default?? A utility has been released that reads this automatically and plots location over time on a map.



PS - Word of warning to everyone, don't run the utility to plot your location unless you want to give away your location and time to the map provider.

Posted on Apr 20, 2011 5:08 PM

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Apr 20, 2011 5:21 PM in response to ozsmac

Unfortunately, there is no way to disable this right now. It uses cellular data and wifi so unless you turn those off (which means no calls and no internet) your data is going to be sent to apple. However, you already agreed to this when you accepted the terms of conditions. Section A number 4b:

(b) Location Data. Apple and its partners and licensees may provide certain services through your iPhone that rely upon location information. To provide and improve these services, where available, Apple and its partners and licensees may transmit, collect, maintain, process and use your location data, including the real-time geographic location of your iPhone, and location search queries. The location data and queries collected by Apple are collected in a form that does not personally identify you and may be used by Apple and its partners and licensees to provide and improve location-based products and services. By using any location-based services on your iPhone, you agree and consent to Apple's and its partners' and licensees' transmission, collection, maintenance, processing and use of your location data and queries to provide and improve such products and services. You may withdraw this consent at any time by going to the Location Services setting on your iPhone and either turning off the global Location Services setting or turning off the individual location settings of each location-aware application on your iPhone. Not using these location features will not impact the non location-based functionality of your iPhone. When using third party applications or services on the iPhone that use or provide location data, you are subject to and should review such third party's terms and privacy policy on use of location data by such third party applications or services.

Apr 20, 2011 5:28 PM in response to applefandan

applefandan wrote:

By using any location-based services on your iPhone, you agree and consent to Apple's and its partners' and licensees' transmission, collection, maintenance, processing and use of your location data and queries to provide and improve such products and services. You may withdraw this consent at any time by going to the Location Services setting on your iPhone and either turning off the global Location Services setting or turning off the individual location settings of each location-aware application on your iPhone. Not using these location features will not impact the non location-based functionality of your iPhone. When using third party applications or services on the iPhone that use or provide location data, you are subject to and should review such third party's terms and privacy policy on use of location data by such third party applications or services

If you read the article you will note that the location information is collected even when Location Services is turned off.

Apr 20, 2011 6:00 PM in response to ozsmac

YOU CAN SEE THAT ON SECTION A NUMBER B4 YOU ALREADY HAVE THE INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO TURN OFF THE LOCATION SERVICES:


Section A number 4b:

"You may withdraw this consent at any time by going to the Location Services setting on your iPhone and either turning off the global Location Services setting or turning off the individual location settings of each location-aware application on your iPhone. Not using these location features will not impact the non location-based functionality of your iPhone."


I HAVE SOME APPLICATIONS THAT I USED LOCATION SERVICES AND OTHERS THAT I INDIVIDUALLY TURNED OFF WHEM I WANT PRIVACY.


IF YOU TURN GLOBAL LOCATION OFF, ALL APPLICATIONS WILL BE BLOCK AND YOU CAN NOT USE FIND MY iPHONE, RUN A TEST, YOU WILL SEE THAT ( FIND MY iPHONE IS FREE).


THIS IS THE REASON THAT I SET A SECURITY CODE TO BE ABLE TO BLOCK A PERSON FROM TURNING OF LOCATION SERVICES OR DELETING ANY APPLICATION IN CASE A LOSE OR HAVE MY PHONE STOLEN.


I ALREADY HAD FRIENDS THAT RECUPERATED THEIR STOLEM OR LOST iPHONES AND iPADS USING FIND MY iPHONE SERVICES

Apr 20, 2011 6:19 PM in response to Lawrence Finch

Lawrence Finch wrote:


See the message two above yours. The data are collected even if you turn off Location Services. So Apple is violating their own contract.


Mr. Finch is 100% correct. The iPhone tracks you even if you turn off location service!!!!!! I feel violated. Talk about leaving the phone on the coffee table or at work while you go to the bathroom/sleep/shower!!!! Constant fear of being tracked...


From http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy -fears


Simon Davies, director of the pressure groupPrivacy International, said: "This is a worrying discovery. Location is one of the most sensitive elements in anyone's life – just think where people go in the evening. The existence of that data creates a real threat to privacy. The absence of notice to users or any control option can only stem from an ignorance about privacy at the design stage."

Apr 20, 2011 6:41 PM in response to ozsmac

Dear,


if you work in a cell phone service provider, you know that you can track any cell phone using tower triangulation, Motorola, Sony, Nokia and etc,in same countries you may need a court order in others just the will to do it.


Do not assume that in your country a thing like the above will not happen.


Is the same with real time fm traffic redirecting in mobile GPS, some smart guys in the USA and in other countries used these feature to guide people to areas so they could rob them

Apr 20, 2011 6:36 PM in response to HIRAW

NO NO NO NO and NO!


What’s so bad about this?


The most immediate problem is that this data is stored in an easily-readable form on your machine. Any other program you run or user with access to your machine can look through it.

The more fundamental problem is that Apple are collecting this information at all. Cell-phone providers collect similar data almost inevitably as part of their operations, but it’s kept behind their firewall. It normally requires a court order to gain access to it, whereas this is available to anyone who can get their hands on your phone or computer.

By passively logging your location without your permission, Apple have made it possible for anyone from a jealous spouse to a private investigator to get a detailed picture of your movements.


Source: http://petewarden.github.com/iPhoneTracker/

Apr 20, 2011 7:02 PM in response to ozsmac

I kind of figured when I bought a smart phone that it was smart, turns out its smart and can do things that are smart, if you want the technology of a smart phone that can tell you where you are on a map didn't you assume it could tell you where you are on a map? As a poster above mentioned every phone capable of receiving a signal whether wi-fi or cell can be tracked, that is nothing new. Nothing is anonymous it's all traceable back to your doorstep, IP addresses, cell phones, car computer chips, internet browsing habits. The only option is to get off the e-grid, burn your credit cards, live in a tent, no mail, no job, cash only, change your appearance, no phone that is smart, or not smart. It's all logged, it's all filed, it's all floating in the cloud in bits and bytes, the only question is will you draw somebodies attention through your actions or interests to make it worth while to gather all that data and use it against you?

Apr 20, 2011 7:30 PM in response to PacificBlue

Could you explain how they will gain access to the info, I assume that will not be at Apple servers.


if you think operators have good firewalls, better think again.


just see how many credit cards data is stollen in the operator servers, not just in terminals.


if they take your phone without your consent or without a court order, they will not be able to use de info.


if the gain access to your location without a court order same.


if you are clean with your attitudes you do not have to worry


in our days is very easy for a private investigator or a jealous wife to get information about someones movements.


first thing we just learned is to read the full terms in any agreement before accepting it.


I personally think is to much of a paranoia an a illusion of freedom that we have, we always think our governments will respect our privacy an the laws, better think again


I am not against your point of view I just think most people lIve in a state of freedom that is not real just look at Microsoft, Google, internet cookies, IRS, immigration, border patrol, etc.

Apr 21, 2011 7:11 PM in response to ozsmac

#1. You are not speaking to Apple. This is a forum for END USERS.


#2. Stop panicking over nothing. Every cell phone carrier tracks your location. You should be more concerned about what the carriers will give up about you than you are about what's in a database on the phone or in a backup on your computer.


#3. Before people freak out about what data may or may not be stored on their phones, they really need to consider doing things like closing their facebook accounts.... Now there's a privacy risk!

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