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Apr 22, 2011 11:56 AM in response to turingtest2by ImagoX,Re: MP3 folder... Ooops! My bad - let me move the MP3 directory and try again... I missed that - sorry.
Also, one thing: Step #11 says: "Copy the files iTunes Library.itl iTunes Library Extras.itdb iTunes Library Genius.itdb sentinel and the folder Album Artwork into F:\.", but it does NOT mention "iTunes Library.xml" (from step #16) - was I supposed to copy the .xml file onto the F: drive as well? When I did #11, I copied the xml file as well, thinking you just forgot to list it (perhaps that's why I'm getting the locked disc error now?)
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Apr 22, 2011 12:08 PM in response to ImagoXby turingtest2,Ah separate issue altogther. You need to give yourself (or Everybody) and the System account full access to the iTunes folder, all child objects and subfolders, or in fact do the whole drive. You may need to take ownership of the drive first which can be done through an administrator account if you aren't already using one. It's all in the drive/folder properties panel security tab. I'm on XP and if I recall the steps are slightly different on Vista/Windows 7. I don't know them by heart but it should be easy enough.
Deautorise the old PC if you wont be using protected iTunes content on it again. Has nothing to do with the above, but it reclaims one of your five possible authorisations.
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Note to self - write a permissions tutorial
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Apr 22, 2011 12:06 PM in response to ImagoXby turingtest2,ImagoX wrote:
Also, one thing: Step #11 says: "Copy the files iTunes Library.itl iTunes Library Extras.itdb iTunes Library Genius.itdb sentinel and the folder Album Artwork into F:\.", but it does NOT mention "iTunes Library.xml" (from step #16) - was I supposed to copy the .xml file onto the F: drive as well? When I did #11, I copied the xml file as well, thinking you just forgot to list it (perhaps that's why I'm getting the locked disc error now?)
Was a deliberate omission but I forgot to explain why. When your iTunes folder is in the "normal" place inside your profile's music folder the xml file is called iTunes Music Library.xml which is compatible with earlier versions of iTunes. When you move the library to any other location it becomes iTunes Library.xml. iTunes always builds a fresh copy of the file if it is missing (it is used to support third pary software but iTunes doesn't actually read data out of it) so not copying it saves cleaning the redunant one up later.
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Apr 22, 2011 12:16 PM in response to turingtest2by ImagoX,Makes sense re: XML...
But now I have issues...
I tried Copying the library, Artwork and other files from F:\iTunes to the root diectory of F:\, but if I try to select that library file at startup I get the same "File or Drive is Locked" error. This is the same HDD/laptop combo I used at the start so it's NOT an Admiunistrator issue - the Admin ID is the only account I have on that PC.
I obviously screwed something up... Should I delete all the newly-made files/folders and go back to the beginning?
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Apr 22, 2011 12:31 PM in response to ImagoXby turingtest2,I suspect moving an NTFS drive from one system to another can cause permissions issues. The OS must want control of the root folder even if it can ignore foreign permissions on everything else.
On XP this is the window (Drive > Properties > Security > Advanced> I would use to reapply the default permissions to all the folders, subfolders and files.
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Apr 22, 2011 1:17 PM in response to turingtest2by ImagoX,Yep... I have full control of the drive...
It's only when I try opening the library file I Copied from F:\iTunes to F:\ (on the 1st PC) OR from F:\iTunes (on the second) that I get the error - I can Move/ Write/Delete files from either PC.
Seems like either moving the file (on the first PC) or transplanting the HDD (on the second) is what's causing the error, but *ONLY* with that library file.
(sigh)...
If I wanted ot start over form the beginning (assuming I screwed up the files somehow), where would I backtrack to in your process steps? Start by opening the library in \Music\iTunes, yes, and then performing the conslidation steps?
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Apr 22, 2011 1:28 PM in response to ImagoXby turingtest2,Check read-only status. Your account and SYSTEM need full access privileges. Just change the security on that single file. Check also inheritability of permissions. You are trying to give access to you/everyone and make sure that access ripples down through the whole folder tree, subfolder, folder and files.
iTunes system authorization is completely different from this. iTunes knows it won't be able to write out any changes to the library so it stops at first base.
There is no going back! Just kidding. I'm sure we're nearly there. Going back probably means going back to the last iteration of the library on your C: drive and, if necessary, moving the MP3 folder to where that library expected it to be.
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Apr 22, 2011 1:44 PM in response to turingtest2by ImagoX,Hehehe... Yeah, I tink we're close, too...
I tink I may have found something, but I'm not sure how to fix it...
On the OLD PC, here's the permissions listing for the iTunes library file on F:\ (root) - this is a COPY of the library file from F:\iTunes directory):
...and here's the SAME FILE from the F:\iTunes folder (the exact same file - this was used as the master of the one copied to the F:\ root directory):
So... simply by copying the .itl file to the F:\root, I seem to have lost a whole set of permisisons, and even tough I'm logged in as an Administrator (see ID below) I think the lack of permisison is killing me like you say.
Administrators check-boxes are the same.
Here's the ID I'm logged into the system with:
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Apr 22, 2011 1:54 PM in response to ImagoXby turingtest2,So click the Edit button, add Matt in as a user and give yourself Full Access. If it won't let you make changes you may have to find the Take ownership button first.
Experience has shown that iTunes seems to use the system account for some tasks and the user account for others. In a new iTunes library in a clean system this is never a problem but when a drive is moved between systems weird stuff happens.
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Apr 23, 2011 7:20 AM in response to turingtest2by ImagoX,OK, so I got it working,...
Long story short, I had to make a NEW ADMIN USER on the new PC (for some reason I could not add the default Admin ID to the F:\ drive with Full Permissions, which turned out to be the root cause of the entire issue... Grrr. Don't know why this step was needed as I can do everyhting on the drive but access that one ^%$#@! Library file, but... whatever. I can now access the Library file in F:\iTunes and play all my files, whether they are in Playlists or not.
LAST QUESTIONS:
1. The new iTunes setup has the Media folder set to "F:\iTunes\iTunes Media", but I did not copy the music files from F:\MP3 - should I? Won't that break all my existing Playlists/Library links?
2. If I just decide to leave well enough alone, and leave all my files as-is (in F:\MP3, since they're currently working), I assume I should chabge the Media folder to F:\MP3? Or no? Not sure at this point where the heck all my Podcasts, apps and other non-music files live, since I followed the consolidation steps in your earlier post. sorry...
3. Whatever I do re: media folder, file location, etc. when I go to sync my phone for the first time on the new iTunes setup, anyhting special I need to do? Obivously, I want to preserve my phone apps, picture files, podcasts AND playlists.
Thankas again, Turingtest - you've been a HUGE help.
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Apr 23, 2011 10:48 AM in response to ImagoXby turingtest2,Hi,
1. The original steps I gave you were designed to get the media living in the folder F:\iTunes Media so that, if you then connected the drive to another machine as say, drive E: it would all carry on working. The steps would have worked becuase the media & library were moving in parallel at the same time and iTunes would have accessed them on the same relative path. You can't just move the folder on it's own.
2. As long as it works for you for now then there is no pressing need to do that. It can be done another time if you find you want the flexability... Check the location of a sample file in each source by looking at the summary tab in get info.
3. Because this is the "same" library your device synced with before, media, apps etc. will be fine and sync as if nothing had changed. Photos are slightly different as they will have been mapped from a specific folder on the other machine. You will need to copy this folder to your new machine, I'd use F:\iTunes\iTunes Media\Photos so they're part of your iTunes Media folder but the choice is yours.
tt2
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Apr 23, 2011 6:37 PM in response to turingtest2by ImagoX,Re: photos and " Photos are slightly different as they will have been mapped from a specific folder on the other machine. You will need to copy this folder to your new machine, I'd use F:\iTunes\iTunes Media\Photos so they're part of your iTunes Media folder but the choice is yours."
So, I assume I need to find this old folder on the previous machine and copy it into the subdirectory "\photos" (which I need to make, yes?) What will happen if I just sync it WITHOUT copying that original folder? Note that I make manual backups of all my pictures from time to time (I'm used to it form taking digital photos with my SLR), so I *do* have copies in other directories, but I like to keep them on the phone to for various reasons.
Thanks,
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Apr 24, 2011 8:00 PM in response to ImagoXby turingtest2,ImagoX wrote:
So, I assume I need to find this old folder on the previous machine and copy it into the subdirectory "\photos" (which I need to make, yes?)
Yes
What will happen if I just sync it WITHOUT copying that original folder? Note that I make manual backups of all my pictures from time to time (I'm used to it form taking digital photos with my SLR), so I *do* have copies in other directories, but I like to keep them on the phone to for various reasons.
It should leave the existing images on the device until you choose a new folder to sync with but it might just clear them out... It's a while since I experimented.
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Apr 25, 2011 6:11 AM in response to turingtest2by ImagoX,OK man... thanks so much. I'll experiment. You've been incredibly helpful - thanks once more for the assistance. I'll check my settings in iTunes to make sure the phone doesn't auto-sync the first time I connect it and then I'll back all my images up manually to my usual Images sub-folder. That way, if the syns DOES clear them out, I won't lose anything.
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Apr 25, 2011 6:26 AM in response to ImagoXby turingtest2,Camera roll should be safe from anything but a restore, it was the images loaded onto the device I was concerned about.
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