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  • Arylisa Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Have you ever heard of planned obsolescence? What you are thinking is not a conspiracy theory. Instead, it is a rather obvious rule that many companies incorporate into their practices. Educate yourself. I have cited a resource, tailored for your ability level: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/disruptions-you-know-you-cant-live-with out-apples-latest-glass-rectangle/

  • cliftonfromrichmond Level 3 Level 3 (790 points)

    Arylisa:

     

    Thank you.  That was perfect.

     

    And now Dearly Beloved, it is time to pay our respects and lay this thread to its final rest.

  • pacolactico Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Is this a conspiracy theory? Yes. And no the other companies’ don’t do thing the same way. Imagine you want to install a new printer for your bran new pc with windows 7. But unfortunately windows 8 is now in the market and for one reason your printer now only works with windows 8 and your pc can’t be upgraded to win 8 forcing you to buy other new pc with windows 8 on it. If that scenario was to be true, the world would be a chaos.

    Fortunately, these is not how the pc world works but unfortunately these is the way apple is forcing you to buy a new hardware each time a new version is in the market


    On a pc or other devices that uses Microsoft OS or others like android the story is very different, I can tell you that you can still find people all over the world that still uses windows Xp, or windows 98 and their software still works on their devices. This is because Microsoft or the other companies are not forcing you to buy a brand new computer every year.

     

    The problem is really easy to address, for a big company like apple. I think they can address the problem simply by showing in the app store, in side every application a part where you can choose a version that better works for you. Or the apps store should detect your IOS version and download the app version that better works for your device, obviously for apps that have older versions. The new ones are off the table, simply because they were built for a more advance IOS.

     

    I understand people that claims technology has to advance, and people with it. But the fact here is that Apple is doing things faster for their own good.

     

    And for the people who don’t believe in this, people who thinks that I am wrong and love apple with all their guts, Time will tell, some day you are going to be on this side of things, one day your brand new IPod, IPhone or Ipad will be like you said obsolete.

     

    Sorry for my terrible English, my native language is Spanish and it’s complicated for me. But I think I made myself understand. And I have to say that I’m a computer Engineer, I know how things work on the technology side.

  • the fiend Level 5 Level 5 (7,790 points)

    pacolactico wrote:

     

    Is this a conspiracy theory? Yes. And no the other companies’ don’t do thing the same way. Imagine you want to install a new printer for your bran new pc with windows 7. But unfortunately windows 8 is now in the market and for one reason your printer now only works with windows 8 and your pc can’t be upgraded to win 8 forcing you to buy other new pc with windows 8 on it. If that scenario was to be true, the world would be a chaos.

    Fortunately, these is not how the pc world works but unfortunately these is the way apple is forcing you to buy a new hardware each time a new version is in the market


    On a pc or other devices that uses Microsoft OS or others like android the story is very different, I can tell you that you can still find people all over the world that still uses windows Xp, or windows 98 and their software still works on their devices. This is because Microsoft or the other companies are not forcing you to buy a brand new computer every year.

     

    The problem is really easy to address, for a big company like apple. I think they can address the problem simply by showing in the app store, in side every application a part where you can choose a version that better works for you. Or the apps store should detect your IOS version and download the app version that better works for your device, obviously for apps that have older versions. The new ones are off the table, simply because they were built for a more advance IOS.

     

    I understand people that claims technology has to advance, and people with it. But the fact here is that Apple is doing things faster for their own good.

     

    And for the people who don’t believe in this, people who thinks that I am wrong and love apple with all their guts, Time will tell, some day you are going to be on this side of things, one day your brand new IPod, IPhone or Ipad will be like you said obsolete.

     

    Sorry for my terrible English, my native language is Spanish and it’s complicated for me. But I think I made myself understand. And I have to say that I’m a computer Engineer, I know how things work on the technology side.

    Deleting all the irrelevant information in your post, we are left with something that may just be an answer. However, you won't solve anything by adding to this very pointless thread.

     

    If you have a positive suggestion, start a new thread, because adding to this one is useless.

     

    I too have a 2nd gen Touch, so I know exactly what the issue is. I also have an opinion on Apple's behaviour on this subject and what they should be doing to address existing owner's justified concerns. But it all counts for nothing while all everyone wants to do is whinge, moan and complain. If I ever figure out a way to stop people concentrating on the negative, then perhaps I'll get somewhere.

     

    I'm not holding my breath!

  • cliftonfromrichmond Level 3 Level 3 (790 points)

    You people have no clue.  Do you have any idea how much server space it would take to store every version of every app and every version of iOS for every iDevice? If you did you wouldn't be here whineing like a bunch of spoiled children

     

    You think that just because have have a device that is way past its support life, Apple some how owes you something.  Well, the fact of the matter is NO ONE, and this includes Apple, owes you anything.  Nada, zilch, zip, butkiss.

     

    I have a 2nd gen Touch, and it works jus fine.  Sure, I can't use the latest apps, but who cares?  In stead of crying because Apple has moved on, I made sure that I have backups.

  • ViVaH8 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    And here we have the perfect Apple customer. So star struck by the technology that he is happy to be ripped off time after time.

     

    Wake up to yourself  Clifton. Yes I do realise how much server space it would take to store every version of every app and every version of iOS for every iDevice and I also realise it would barely put a tiny dent in Apples revenue.

     

    Apple are not about providing a service to consumers, they are all about making even more profits from the fools who are so stupid they will even line up all night to get ripped off.

  • cliftonfromrichmond Level 3 Level 3 (790 points)

    On the contrary, I am not "star struck" by technology.  I have worked around technology all of my adult life, and one thing I can tell you is that just about the time you get comfortable with a new toy, a 'better' one hits the store shelves.

     

    And FYI, I have a 2nd gen because I fixed it.  For $12.00 in parts and some time I have a decent MP3 player, and when I'm near a wireless net work I can surf the web.  Its a TOY.  I use it, it does not use me.  In fact, it's been about two weeks since I've used the darned thing because the weather is too nasty for riding my motorcycle.

     

    And, I was not say that Apple was providing server space for users.  You get a measly 5 gigs with iColud, which I wouldn't trust to hold anything.

     

    I will agree with the standing in line part.  That is just plain stupid...  I spent 20 years in the Navy standing in freakin' lines, and I'll be hanged before I wait in line for the latest wiz-bang toy from anyone...

     

    And to set the record straight, I also own a 5th gen iPod video that I repaired ($10.00 for a new 30 gig hard drive), a 4th generation 16 gig iPod touch (b-day present..), and a 30 gig Zune that I repaired ($12.00 for a new system board...), and I have an iPhone 4 because it was part of a bundel from my provider.   Its a phone...DUH...

     

    And, I wouldn't own an Apple computer if you paid me....

     

    Oh, one last thing:  Apple is a business enterprise.  The function of a business is to provide goods, services, or both to the public and to show a profit to the share holders.  The basic idea is you sell what you make, or charge for a service you provide.  Typically those fees include something called a profit margin. Profit is determined by subtracting your gross income from you costs.  Costs include raw materials, business taxes, licensing and other public fees, Research and Devleopment (R&D), infrastructure (buildings, warehousing, shipping, and so forth), employee salaries, employee benefits (401K contributions, Health Insurance, Workman's Compensation Insurance, etc.), employee training, management training, and don't forget Federal, State, and local taxes... 

     

    What you should be complaining about is the fact that until very recently, Apple products were manufactured out side of the US, which means that US citizens were not working.  That is Apple's real crime, not the fact they turn a profit....

     

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  • Gamertron Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I've just been going around in circles trying to get my ipod 4.x to connect to icloud.... only to find there are no longer updates for gen 2 ipods. This really *** as I am a quadriplegic and listen to lots of music on my ipod and keep running out of space. I thought icloud would be the answer only to find I cant connect to icloud with an older ipod.

     

    When you buy a product you expect support for the life of that item or at least offer a cheaper upgrade to the new outdated one.

  • vazandrew Level 6 Level 6 (16,385 points)

    iCloud wouldn't help in that regard, it would be better to use a streaming service.

  • the fiend Level 5 Level 5 (7,790 points)

    Alternatively, if there is more music in an iTunes Library than can be put onto an iPod (which presumably, is Gamertron's concern), perhaps the answer (or "a" solution) is to Sync only Selected Playlists, Artist and Genres to the iPod.

     

    Then, with clever us of Smart Playlists, it's possible to create Playlists that automatically add and remove songs each day iTunes is opened and even on-the-fly, and for those to be Synced with the iPod at each Sync with its iTunes library. This is achieved by setting up several different Smart Playlists, each with its own set of rules and then combining all those Playlists into one Smart Playlist.

     

    The result is an ever changing mixture of songs, some not played (for example) for just two weeks, while others have not been played for two months, or even never at all. So my personal favourites are (potentially) played more often than the less favourite ones, along with other songs I haven't marked as favourite but still want to hear every now and again.

  • the fiend Level 5 Level 5 (7,790 points)

    Hi Clifton,

     

    while I agree with (almost) everything you say, I did feel that one of your comments appeared to be aimed squarely at me:

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    Perhaps I am mistaken, I hope so.

     

    The point I was trying to make (which apparently I failed to get across to far too many people) was that although Apple's development of later iOS versions is fully understandable, because one benefit they look for is that users will be tempted to buy the newer model, it's not so easy to understand why App developers haven't realised that if a user (who cannot afford to upgrade their iPod) naïvely updates an App which the iPod cannot install, and they therefore lose use of the App, then the developer has lost a customer. So the result is that Apple appears to lose nothing, while the App developer does lose business.

     

    It occurred to me that the poeple who moan here would be better served if they concentrated on the actual issues;

    1. being adequately warned about updating beyond the capability of their model of iPod, and
    2. talking to the developers about their inability to continue using any particular App.

     

    None of what I have said here is designed to minimise the development of Apple's business, I'm all in favour of continued development of the iOS and the hardware. But if App developers lose business, without fully understanding why, that would undermine both them and, eventually, Apple.

     

    What is truely unbelievable is that this thread has been going for almost two years, and yet some people refuse to get the message; they continue to whinge on about the same issue, side issues which distract them from the real issue and even subjects that have nothing to do with the original post.

     

    Phil

    P.S. Good to see that you're still contributing to the forums.

  • david davis Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    Reply to "the fiend"...I had to look to see why and but came to find that the poster IS the "fiend".

     

    What the fiend states here is absolutely, positively spot on.  All I would have asked for is the option to NOT upgrade the app if it would be unusable on my ipod.  Or the option to downgrade once the app didn't work.  Upon a forced restore, my backed up ipod would not load the apps that had been upgraded past its capabilities.

     

    These apps include Yelp, Zillow, Trulia, New York Times, medical apps, Dropbox, Tumbler, and others.  None of these companies have any exposure on the device I use or exposure only via slow and clunky web access, because they have failed to insist or develop apps that will continue to work on a not very old Touch. 

     

    Sure, I'll eventually purchase a new one, but this one is still a functional, though highly overpriced mp3 player that can surf the web (sometimes, it seems that some wifi systems aren't doing so well with it either).  Replacing the new apps with backed up older versions does not seem to work, or at least I have not been successful at it.

     

    The posters that denigrate those of us with what we see are valid complaints might be better served with suggesting work-arounds. 

  • Gamertron Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for your suggestion... this is pretty much what I do, altho' didn't know about smartlists so thanks for your solution

  • Gamertron Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hmmm I thought the whole hype about icloud was to be able to listen to your purchased songs on multiple devices?? My ipod holds 4gb and icloud holds 5gb so in effect I thought I'd have access to 9gb of content.

  • aletss Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi cliftonfromrichmond

     

    Do you happen to have the backup for the Ibook?? I got my itouch 2 gen from a gift from my older sister and all i want  to do is to read books. I have no backup or anything at all.. Is there a way u can take that out ur computer and share it?? any version that works for the gen 2 is welcome.

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