How do I get flash player on iPad.

hmmm... Does apple employ you?

arpace wrote:

hmmm... Does apple employ you?

This is a user to user forum arpace

Wow, you are a numbskull. I am a Ruby on Rails developer these days. Apple uses Java EE.

I like Apple products, but I doubt I would ever work there. For one, they are located in Cupertino, and I live in SF. It is a really awful commute. People do it, though. I wouldn't... Some people are fine with having no life outside of work.

For another, I am not into the 80 hour work weeks. You have to really love Apple to work there, and there are plenty of people who want to. The competition means they can pay less than others and still get the top people. That said, their top people do make quite a lot... But for me, a senior engineer? Nah...

I prefer to work for companies that are not software companies. I am not some whizkid systems developer type dude. I am basically the same type of developer that would be doing COBOL stuff 30 years ago.

Enterprise systems... Database driven web applications. It is not easy, but making something like iOS, OS X, or ProTools is way beyond my skills. I know, it takes teams of developers, but I am still not that great. Still, clearly better than you. Sorry, but you really don't know what you are talking about.

One thing, I may be wrong about Flash plugins getting cached. Maybe they do. But from what I see, when I load Hulu, it appears to load the .swf each time. But since I mainly use their iOS app, and rarely watch it on my Mac, it may be that they have put up a new version of the .swf.

I could not find much online, because they mostly refer to the cache of a video player within a Flash app. Then I found something from 3 years ago that Flash developers need to use, um, JavaScript to jiggle the versoning to force a new version of their plugin to download. Nice job, once again, Adobe! Or should I say, Bugdobe? Or Adope?

Even if the browser does cache the .swf, Flash is still an opressive resource hog. Any better performance vis-a-vis JavaScript, for the few things that perform better, is at the expense of hogging the CPU. With such resource hogging, you would expect everything to work faster than JS, but this is not the case...

Flash is like the gas guzzling SUV that drives really slow and breaks down all the time. I'll always go with a Honda or Acura...

I just want to say, before I hit the pubs, that the thing about Flash that makes steam come out of my ears is the severe resource hogging. I mean, it sometimes makes my quad core Mac Pro slow, but look at what it does to lesser machines, or Android devices? Look at these videos, look at how bad the scrolling is when Flash is loaded.

I just hate slowness and when things get bogged down. That's why I bailed on Windows. I just could not stand waiting 3-4 minutes for a brand new laptop running an 8 year old operating system to boot up. Then it crashes and you need to reboot. Or you are surfing the web, hit a site with Flash and everything comes to a grinding halt.

Now Macs have the apps! With the Mac app store, even more than Windows. I have not needed to bootcamp to Windows and never will. Most Rails developers, including DHH, use Macs. Rails is very Unix oriented... Lots of shell action.

I made the choice to move to Apple products. I don't want Flash. I want to watch video and listen to music, from web based assets, with QuickTime because it works flawlessly, is efficient, and can transmit the content to my TV or stereo.

Look, if you like slim jims, don't force slim jims on someone who likes lobster, ok? Just eat your darn slim jims and shut up about it. No one needs to hear constantly that you not only have poor taste, but you need to force this poor taste onto everyone else.

If you like Flash so much, get your Samsung tablet and stick with Gingerbread for the rest of your life. Indeed, you will probably have to upgrade to a new device to get ICS. Oooh! And you can finally copy and paste text (comprehensively) and take screenshots! Oooooh and that Roboto font!

ICS was so underwhelming, that journalists had to spend 2 paragraphs writing about a font!

Uh, it's honeycomb for smart phones.

Oh and... If you claim that iOS5 ripped off Android, you are nuts. Even the notification center is a big improvement from what Android had done. If you swipe an email notification on Android (only ICS and Samsung Whiz do this, by the way) it doesn't even take you to the email! It just opens the email app. D'oh.

And Google tries very hard to force you to use Gmail, and their apps. They should call it Lookataddroids.

Ha ha ha ha ha... Later losers. Love to the Apple homies!

This is really it for me. There is no point in debating idiots who make up vague technical facts and have little proof. There is no point in talking tech with people who pose as developers, but don't even know what the authoring tool for Flash is called or that iOS native apps are developed in Objective C. What a waste of time. I will not be fished in again...

As much as I do enjoy bashing Android, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Oh, and the thing I notice about Android users is that they do tend to be people with a modicum of tech skills. Your desktop support guy, or mommy's little whiz kid who is so smart because he got her scanner to work!

The people I know who use Android are clamdiggers or people who smoke dope from when they wake up to when they pass out at 9pm. The people I know who use iOS are all software engineering colleagues.

Some people get a self esteem boost from fiddling with custom ROMs, rooting, having to close apps to run other apps. If they can work around glitchy technology it makes them feel better.

For me, after working on code and solving tough problems, the last thing I want is tears before bedtime with consumer electronics. Yes, I could fiddle with widgets and pimp a Droid device better than you, but what is the point? What do I learn? How to make bad technology? That kludgy and gaudy UIs are acceptable?

Apple products inspire me to make stuff that just works and works well. I want to make web apps that are powerful, yet easy to use, and Apple offers much more inspiration than Microsoft of Google.

Indeed, there are quite a lot of web UI toolkits that rip off Apple look and feel, as does Ubuntu.

The link you provided about how bad flash is on android is from 2010. It was on the google nexus one thats like trying to run flash on the 3gs it would not do well. The video below is the galaxy s2 running lightning fast with flash much more recent. This is the experience that Android users are accustomed to. Flash was brand new for the nexus one, it was the first froyo phone with flash capabilities. I mean it could run it but the hardware was terrible, single core snapdragon 1ghz with a terrible gpu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqxKHGO9HhM

Where in this video do you see any choppiness?

You talk about the htc evo which was a bad phone the day it came out.

You call me a liar I prove that I have the Ipad 2. You complain about the quality of the picture it was taken with an iphone 3gs. You say who would stream at home, clearly that was to just take a picture to show you the devices.

I will say you do sound educated on what you speak of. You know a lot more than me in this area I will never claim otherwise, nor have I. I Have attempted to be objective, to the products I do hold a negative bias towards the company, and i believe I can be objective because I own two android and 2 ios, ipad 2 and iphone 3gs, an ipod and an ipod touch an old one never use it anymore. I'm not sure what ur experience is with android but i don't think its that much based on your remarks.

Anyone that has said anything, at all, negative about apple you bash and call liars that is the antithesis of objectivity. Objectivity is beautiful, I have presented lists of what i like and dislike about both. I provided examples of why I like being able to use flash. I take classes at night and many people have come up to me (iphone users) and asked how I'm streaming the game. THey complain about not being able to. That's why I mention it. I dont have android people come up to me and complain about something that iphones do that androids can't. This is a big topic thats why it gets a lot of play.

I wish Adobe Flash was not as dominant as it is. I would much prefer to use the native viewing player such as vlc on the cpu or the standard movie player on any smartphone than have to stream via flash. This is not the case with the majority of the sites I visit tho.

I like using apple devices and will continue to do so. However, to claim that it is the only thing that should be used is ridiculous. I do not believe anyone here truly loves flash, maybe dudarama, but people do not support biased remarks that are unfounded. People do not support others calling people liars, especially when it is baseless.

******Side Note******* Hated flash on Ubuntu so much that I switched back to windows after a year of loving the ubuntu experience. So I completly agree with you there. I was running low quality on watch espn when streaming college football games when i had 20x the cpu requirements ram vcard, etc. Switched back to windows maxed out at all times ultra quality. They really dropped the ball on that one, however, at least they did it so I was able to view pages, albeit 80% of my resources were required.

"Oh, and the thing I notice about Android users is that they do tend to be people with a modicum of tech skills. Your desktop support guy, or mommy's little whiz kid who is so smart because he got her scanner to work!

The people I know who use Android are clamdiggers or people who smoke dope from when they wake up to when they pass out at 9pm. The people I know who use iOS are all software engineering colleagues."

Spoken like a true cult member.

Apple fanboys keep repeating that Flash is a resource hog. It is true that some poorly constructed Flash mechanisms are way too heavy. A lot of that crap is bitmap animation done by designers who don't know oop from poop. It's also true that flash is a great front end for presenting rich data.

I've got every imaginable device at my disposal, necessary for testing our development work. I prefer the iPad's look and feel. Unfortunately, my iPad use is constrained because administrative functions I access every day are developed in Flex, presented using Flash. So I grab a Galaxy Tab.

It's worthy of note that our consumer facing mobile sites get 8 times as many iOS requests as Android. For corporate facing sites it's almost even with the trend to Android.

Web developers like us benefit from platform inconsistencies. If we had to deliver to one screen only, our revenue would shrink 40%.

You will find this link quite valuable.

I got here by trying to find out why I cannot see some stuff on my new iPad2. I did read a few select pages - and soon gave up! Not much by way of education re. the original question, but much of ''having a go at the other fellow''.

I assume the proper answer was given by hugh_fraser at the very beginning, the rest seems to be what we experience when our politicians meet. Pity.

The only other decent point made, was the link to ''Thoughts on Flash''. Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, Adobe should have just fixed Flash. It was a great tool, but it was too buggy.

freedone wrote:

WELL THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT:)

This is somewhat true but extreme. The few Android users I know are people who want to look like "hackers" and act like the Droid is for "pros". My iPhone has Terminal on it 🙂

bk452 wrote:

"Oh, and the thing I notice about Android users is that they do tend to be people with a modicum of tech skills. Your desktop support guy, or mommy's little whiz kid who is so smart because he got her scanner to work!

The people I know who use Android are clamdiggers or people who smoke dope from when they wake up to when they pass out at 9pm. The people I know who use iOS are all software engineering colleagues."

Spoken like a true cult member.

I've heard of people having a terminal on their phone but I have never understood why. Most of the people I run across have an Android phone. They are doctors, lawyers, taxi drivers - regular people. I only know two people with an iPhone.

The iPad is a toy. A great toy for entertainment, don't get me wrong. I had one for over a year. But I'm an adult and I needed a device that could handle heavy lifting. At the recommendation of this forum, I got an Android device that does everything including all the entertainment.

This whole discussion boils down to what you need a tablet for. If it is just music, movies, headline news, or a staus symbol, the iPad is great. If you need something more, don't get an iPad.

Btw, all this talk about flash slowing down a 2009 mac is surprising. I bought a refurbished macbook in 2008. It performs beautifully. Nothing slows it down.

If it is just music, movies, headline news, or a staus symbol, the iPad is great. If you need something more, don't get an iPad.

Quite the shallow statement, there.

Putting aside the politics of this thread I simply want to watch tv online from cox(and similar). They chose to distribute it in Flash format. I could care less about the rhetoric from the Apple v. Android nerd herd.

If you need to use Flash then the iPad is not the correct solution for you.

Allan