How do I get flash player on iPad.

I didn't even attempt to read it.

He appears to be imitating your posts.

This strident individual is not engaging in dialogue. Although I agree on some points, he buries me with bluster. Amateur lecturers using false premises, bad analogies, and inflammatory alusions rarely win converts.

Nobody is really engaging in meaningful dialogue in this thread any longer. Whatever our respective opinion is, what tools, we use to code, etc. the war is over and the OPs question has long since been answered. The only fact present is the Adobe Flash plugin has never been on iOS and never will be.

End of argument.

deggie wrote:

Nobody is really engaging in meaningful dialogue in this thread any longer. Whatever our respective opinion is, what tools, we use to code, etc. the war is over and the OPs question has long since been answered. The only fact present is the Adobe Flash plugin has never been on iOS and never will be.

End of argument.

If only 🙂

You don't really think I'm gonna read all this, do you?

"You don't really think I'm gonna read all this, do you?"

That's what Adobe's CEO said when he looked at Steve's "Thoughts on Flash". Then, several months later, he had his administrative assistant act it out for him, in a dramatic way, with hand puppets. This is why mobile Flash is dead...

I am not trying to win converts. Go ahead and buy an Android device. They need all the support they can get. Android is great as a foil. Without something bad, it is harder to apperciate something good, like iOS. Whenever I find a bug in iOS, my annoyance is mitigated by the fact that it could be much worse. Apple is not perfect. The book scandal is awful (and the overpriced books had me buying Kinde books from Amazon). But they are better than anyone else. Even something as simple and basic as scrolling is worse on Android.

What I want to make sure is that Apple knows, good and well, that people appreciate their decision to not put a Flash plugin in Safari, yet allow Flash compatible browsers in the App Store. It keeps the device stable and secure, as well as helping to communicate to web developers that the days of Flash are over.

Also, as an enterprise web developer working at a top-20-of-the-Fortune-500 corporation, we ditched Flash back in 2006, before the iPhone even existed. Steve was no visionary in realizing that Flash is not a good technology. Lots of people have bailed on Flash, independent of Steve's decision. Not many COBOL developers these days, either. Boo hoo. Learn something new. It is ridiculous for computer programmers, of all people, to expect their darling technology that puts money in their pocket, to be around forever. But there are plenty of lazy programmers. Brush up on your sociopathy skills and go into management... Java almost killed off C++. Now Ruby may do the same to Java. Any technologist that expects to be working with the same technology over the course of their career is simply DAFT. I have come to accept that every decade or so, it is time to move on to the next hot technology. Some people are very conservative, and basically want a tablet to be a Windows-like machine which they can fiddle with and reboot. This does not advance technology. The future is abstraction -- technology that is easy to use and takes away the fiddling. Some people love to fiddle. The Android users I know are desktop support people, who fear that if technology is too easy to use, they won't have a job. That genie is out of the bottle. There is a desperate need for developers, and developing software is easier. Learn some new skills, or you will end up with the same fate as American manufacturing workers. Most of those jobs will never come back.

I also wanted to make fun of a very idiotic analogy, that somehow, Flash is as essential to a tablet as gasoline is to a car. Only if it is an electric car! Ha ha ha.

Flash ***** and will never be on iOS by default, and everytime I AirPlay a web based video onto my TV, I am so glad that there is a better solution than Flash. But iPads do have Flash, and it is better than Flash on Android.

This is like the guy who goes to a fancy French restaurant and demands the hamburger. Pearls before swine.

I am not trying to convert anyone. Go get a Droid device if Flash is so impotant. I have a feeling that the Honeycomb tablets with Flash will be around for a few years to come. I'm sure there are warehouses full of Xoons and Tabs... Enjoy!

Deggie -- your attempt to be a self appointed moderator and "voice of reason" is not necessary. By doing that, you are ironically off topic, yet complain about others being pointless. Why don't you follow your own advice, instead of being a self appointed moderator? If this discussion bothers you or you think I have written too much, just bugger off and do something else. Who cares what you think?

The fact that you are befuddled by a few paragraphs speaks volumes, duderRama. Your reading comprehension skills seem to be in line with your computer literacy. Good luck, you will need it...

End of argument! I love it. The new sheriff's in town! Yes, you add so much to the conversation. I was just hoping a referee would emerge and point out the foibles of our ways. Thank you so much, enlightened Buddha!

You are obnoxious in an ironic way. End of argument!

Tommy, I've wondered why you keep repeating your credentials to puff up your imagined self importance. Now it's clear. If you are working inside for a Fortune 20, you boss is paying us external developers 3x as much for your expertise. Wannabee.

While your choking on soyburgers I'll dining at L'Arpege again. Take your meds.

"This strident individual is not engaging in dialogue. Although I agree on some points, he buries me with bluster. Amateur lecturers using false premises, bad analogies, and inflammatory alusions rarely win converts."

Irony abounds. Yet another enlightened soul, pointing out the foibles of "bluster", while adding abolutely NOTHING to the conversation... Ironically pointing out that others are not engaging in dialog, while all they offer is netiquette pointers... The classic case of the person who needs to control others. The überknob who needs to assert dominance by acting as the judge. If this dialog, or lack thereof, is so upsetting to you, don't read it.

Amateur lecturers? Who is lecturing? This is writing, not speaking... Once again, irony abounds. Some pseudo-literary backside wipe that doesn't seem to know the difference between written and verbal communication, yet feels the need to opine on how to engage in this discussion.

What false premise do I put forth? I think you just have a canned admonishment you throw out to assert yourself as a leader. Generic. I don't care how many points you have. What I have read in your four sentences reeks of more self absorbed, self righteous manure than an entire cow pasture.

Oh, you must be a paid, professional lecturer? The enlightened one, indeed! Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to point out the follies of my ways!

You are wrong. I have raised several valid points, that go unanswered. As in any debate, written or verbal, dropped arguments are flowed over and brought up again. The rules of debate point out that silence is consent. Which debate organization have you participated in? Did you qualify and compete in the nationals? Oh, I did... I normally wouldn't point that out, but seeing as you have found it fit to educate me on the finer points of debate, I thought I should mention that your canned, generic admonishment has nothing to do with this discussion, is built on false pretenses, and is extremely ironic, vague, canned, and generic. It is indeed, you, who has no examples, no points, and nothing to add to the conversation other than boring netiquette pointers. Thanks for the unsoliscited, generic advice.

Still, no one has pointed out, other than me, that QuickTime is actually superior to Flash, because it supports AirPlay. No one has any decent point as to why people should still use Flash, when JQuery can do the vast majority of RIA, and even basic RIA cannot be delivered to mobile devices via Flash, let alone the fancy 3D rendering it promises...

I asked someone to post a link of a YouTube video showing a decent mobile Flash experience. I have posted two links to videos that show that video playback is so slow, it can be measured in seconds per frame!

So, to make it really simple for the reading challenged:

1. Prove that Flash is superior to native media players and modern web scripting technologies. How do you elegantly get web videos to play on a TV, without a 30' HDMI cable or sitting 3' in front of your TV.

2. Provide an example of a Flash app that cannot be done with modern web scripting or a native app. I contend a native app like Infinity Blade is vastly superior to anything Flash has to offer. Prove me wrong. Show me the killer Flash game that can actually be played on a mobile device... In fact, show me a Flash game, on a full on computer, that is better than Infinity Blade.

3. Provide an example of a quality user experience using Flash on a mobile device. Let's see a video. So far, no one has been able to provide this.

Save the netiquette lessons and ironic comments that people are not participating in the dialog. I am so tired of the überknob that feels the need to be the king of the discussion thread. Why don't you shut up shuttin' up?

>I am so tired of the überknob that feels the need to be the king of the discussion thread. Why don't you shut up shuttin' up?<

I will happily respond to the reasonable questions at the end of the post. As for being "reading challenged", have you not read twice that on many points I agree with you? I have no desire to be king of anything beyond my own domain....this great "kingdom" is all yours...rule it wisely. Just don't waste to much of your bosses time at $1.25 a minute. If you are working for a Fortune 25 firm that is engaged in health care, I may have had dinner with your boss in March. If you insult me, expect to be slapped back.

I'm off to a dinner engagment. I'll let you know when I think I've met my match, but it certainly is not some corporate tool.

At least your response was brief.

There is nothing left to add to the conversation here. Not by you or the current anti-you.

Do any of your posts, or anyone else's, change the fact that there has never been a Flash plugin on iOS and now there never will be? If not it is just wasted verbiage.

That fact is not obnoxious, it is just a fact.

If you know differently please correct me and tell me how your lengthy posts are going to change anything.

Uh oh! Look out! It's a multimedia developer! Now I see why rfoil is so ratcheted up. He wants to be the true voice of reason with regard to technology. He made an .swf! Whoopee! He converted a Flash app to JavaScript. Click this, show that. Brilliant. You showed an enterprise web developer, who develops web apps that do a billion transactions a month, a thing or two. Maybe three. Impressed!

And since it takes him 30 minutes to write a paragraph, he makes an ad hominem attack, that I must not be a real developer, or else I wouldn't have the time to write this. Have you noticed I am absent from this discussion for several days at a time? You seem to check in regularly. What? The world is not beating down your door to develop some Flash doo dah? The beer companies have turned to JQuery to make that condensation on the beer bottle, along with the neat-o revolving billboard effect? Whoopee!

FYI, I am taking a vacation, being spring break time. I am wasting my own free time, conversing with idiots who cannot present any proof that Adobe Flash runs just fine on mobile devices. Or idiots that niggle about someone claiming Adobe has stopped developing Flash for mobile, and claim that AIR and Flash are the same thing. Uh, did you read that on a blog? Are you the type of "developer" that takes advice from journalists? Yeah, English majors typically are the best ones to consult about technology and writing code. In fact, I called up my high school English teacher to have a discussion about the merits of active record vs repositories.

However, rfoil does prove my point that it is simple to convert Flash to Javascript. Indeed, everyone who reviews JQuery vs. Flash contends that JQuery is much easier to master. If rfoil can do it, any extasy addled, pierced and tatted graphic designer can do it too... But really bad developers are stuck in their ways and expect Adobe Creative Suite to be their bread and butter for their entire career. They are afraid they have to learn something new, and blame it all on Apple.

You think iOS will be around for ten years? I doubt it. Maybe they will still call it that, but it won't be iOS as we know it, and iOS developers will need to learn new skills. Flash is near EOL. I personally think even Silverlight is better, but these plugins are a thing of the past... Just another vector for spreading malware, as any hacker can pop up a dialog box saying you need to download this new plugin, and a certain percentage of people will do it... The origin of the latest Mac "virus".

You like to point out that people are wrong, but it is in fact you who are wrong. You take people's words hyper-literally, without regard to the context of the discussion, just to be a richard...

">Flash is being discontinued on mobile devices.<

Wrong. Flash player development for mobile BROWSERS has stopped. AIR application development for mobile continues. This conversation is degraded with information that is not entirely correct."

See what I mean? The person was obviously talking about Flash on browsers, and Adobe's announcement of ending support. But you need to be a richard, and split hairs, like a true überknob. AIR is not Flash. That's why they call it AIR. It is the Adobe Integrated Runtime. It can do more than Flash, such as interact with the operating system beyond what Flash can do (which, given Adobe's security record, is scary). If you have the Flash plugin on your browser, you need to download a separate installer for AIR. Flash runs in the browser, and AIR allows geniuses who have mastered Adobe authoring tools to now create desktop apps. Great! There aren't enough lame, slow, and bloated desktop apps. Thanks once again, Adobe!

Case in point -- if you had Comcast cable and used their Xfinity web app to watch on your computer, you had to download AIR and an Xfinity desktop app, which provided authentication for the Flash player. Flash runs in a sandbox, and cannot persist authentication information, hense the use of AIR, which is not Flash.

So if you want to split hairs, I am more than willing to do so as well. AIR is not Flash. Period. You have to make some righteous point, but the funny thing is that YOU ARE WRONG!!!

You are wrong, multimedia jockey... These things are better left to experts who know what they are talking about. We ditched Flash 6 years ago, and I have (thankfully) forgotten more about Flash and AIR than you will know.

Yes, I even looked into FLEX, and it seemed really neat-o, until I saw the horrible gallery and how sluggish the FLEX UIs are even on powerful desktop computers. Then the $10,000 per CPU price tag on BlazeDS Server. F that!

We also did not use Acrobat, because we felt it was not good usability to force users to download external software to use our website. So we were even worse than Apple in rejecting Adobe!