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  • stevejobsfan0123 Level 8 Level 8 (38,870 points)

     

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (12,785 points)

    Tgara wrote:

     

    Dah•veed wrote:

     

    A smarter preson would have read through the thread before posting this comment.

     

     

    Indeed.  And a smarter person would have checked to see if their ipad could handle Flash too before they bought it.

     

    Judging from the number of times this question has been asked, functioning brain cells are in short supply among many new iPad owners (regulars here excluded, of course ).

    No.  Many (most) iPad owners are not geeks such as the regulars that brag at being "Mac fanboi since 1984!"  They know about as much about Flash as the majority of car owners know about carburators and fuel injectors, drums and discs.

     

    They go to the Apple web site and read things like "You hold the Internet in your hands like a book, flip through it like a magazine, and do everything with your fingers on the big, beautiful iPad display. It’s like you control the whole wide web yourself.They have absolutely no reason whatever to investigate Flash support or lack thereof.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (12,785 points)

    Dah•veed wrote:

     

    I've had several apps from the App Store that included Flash movies.

    You are mistaken. If they were anything like the 9-11 app, they all required an internet connection. There was no Flash in the app, the app received streaming Flash video over an internet connection. The 9-11 app plainly states it needs an internet connection to work.

    I never said that there was Flash in the app.  It was, however, an app available in Apple's app store that would not function properly because of the lack of Flash support.  Perhaps you do not understand that the Internet connection delivered Flash videos.  Period.

  • Drewdizzle Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I don't know what rock people have been under that don't know FLASH isn't available on iPhone, iPad, etc. 

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (12,785 points)

    The vast majority of Internet users that use the Internet to obtain information while having no clue regarding the technology behind the Internet.  They know how to turn the computer on, how to open the browser and how to enter search terms on Google.  Period.

     

    I expect that you drive a car.  Are you an expert car mechanic?

     

    I expect that you've flown in an airplane.  Are you an expert pilot?

     

    I expect that you or a loved one has had surgery.  Are you an expert surgeon?

     

    Etc., etc., etc.

  • Dah•veed Level 7 Level 7 (32,795 points)

    P_P, you can restate things as you wish. And you will hold your opinion as strongly as anyone else here. But we shall obviously disagree. However, the app does not require the iPad to support Flash. It requires the outside supplied Flash videos to actually work correctly. But it is true, if Adobe were successfully able to have developed Flash for iOS that actually worked properly on iDevices, then the developers of apps such as the 9-11 app could have created a much different app, one that was not dependent on outside Flash video to be used. Flash for iOS is now ancient history by electronic years.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (12,785 points)

    David,

     

    The point is that the app is (was) available in Apple's App Store despite the fact that, to a large extent, it's useless because Flash is required.  I brought it up to challenge the statement from SteveJobsFan0123 alleging "The only programs you can download on the iPad are through the App Store, none of which require Flash."

     

    With what part of the above do you disagree?

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (78,005 points)

    Philly_Phan wrote:

    I never said that there was Flash in the app.  It was, however, an app available in Apple's app store that would not function properly because of the lack of Flash support.  Period.

    Actually, it was not an app issue. It was (most likely) a server side issue that failed to serve up content in html5 for some using the iOS app.

    Worked fine for me but you had issues.

    -> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3316252?start=15&tstart=0

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (12,785 points)

    OK.  I'll keep it simple.  I got the app from the Apple app store.  I opened it and, when I attempted to use it, a message appeared telling me that I must download Flash.

  • Dah•veed Level 7 Level 7 (32,795 points)

    I opened it and, when I attempted to use it, a message appeared telling me that I must download Flash.

    I believe that you believe that you remember that, but I think you are mistaken, I think you are confusing that app with a message that you would receive if you visited a website with Safari on the iPad and tried to watch a Flash video. Apple would not have approved an app that required a Flash plugin. The first time an Apple employee tried to test the app they would have encountered that same message and that app would have been immediately rejected.

     

    But I also had that app, the 9-11 app. I did not encounter such a message. I encountered poor streaming video from the server that streams the videos to the app.

  • Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (12,785 points)

    Dah•veed wrote:

     

    I opened it and, when I attempted to use it, a message appeared telling me that I must download Flash.

    I believe that you believe that you remember that, but I think you are mistaken, I think you are confusing that app with a message that you would receive if you visited a website with Safari on the iPad and tried to watch a Flash video. Apple would not have approved an app that required a Flash plugin. The first time an Apple employee tried to test the app they would have encountered that same message and that app would have been immediately rejected.

     

    But I also had that app, the 9-11 app. I did not encounter such a message. I encountered poor streaming video from the server that streams the videos to the app.

    No, I am remembering correctly.

     

    In fact, you are incorrect in referring to "the" 9-11 app as there were several.

     

    "The first time an Apple employee tried to test the app they would have encountered that same message and that app would have been immediately rejected."  Not necessarily so.  Please read my earlier post where I stated that "nearly half" of the videos required Flash.  The Apple employee may well have tried one of the videos that did work and don't even think of trying to convince me that they would have tested all of the videos.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (78,005 points)

    Philly_Phan wrote:

     

    OK.  I'll keep it simple.  I got the app from the Apple app store.  I opened it and, when I attempted to use it, a message appeared telling me that I must download Flash.

    Yes, I understand.

    I downloaded the same app and I did not receive any such message about Flash and I could view all videos in the app with no problem on the iPad. As I can view them now in the app just fine.

  • Soniq2 Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    Flash was developed for mouse'able devices, is very CPU intensive and has some security issues. Due to these issues, mobile devices can experience shorter battery life, less-responsive behavior to some degree and are subject to security breaches when running Flash based applications.

    Apple approached Adobe about these issues back in 2007 when the iPhone was about to be introduced. Adobe was not interested at that point in supporting a "mobile" device since Flash was already ubiguitous across the internet. They declined to fix Flash for mobile devices.

     

    Apple is extreemly particular about the "user experience". When Adobe refused to address these issues, Apple made the decision to restrict Flash use on Apple's mobile devices in the interest of protecting that "user experience". Not everyone agrees with Apple on this, but now that Apple's iOS devices have become in such high demand (iPad, iPod Tough, iPhone), Adobe has seen the writing-on-the-wall, stopped support for moble flash and has created software that allows developers of Flash-based apps to convert their programs over to HTML5. iOS does support HTML5.

  • Macaby Level 3 Level 3 (910 points)

    Wondering if the 1000th post here will receive a free new iPad3?

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