eMac freezes randomly, open window turns into broken up jibber

My eMac freezes randomly, open window turns into broken up jibber (kinda looks like I put a photoshop filter on it or something). I can't force quit when it does this, no error message, I've repaired permissions. Any ideas?

eMac 1.25 GHz, Mac OS X (10.3.8)

Posted on Jan 5, 2006 6:06 PM

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May 18, 2006 11:59 PM in response to Mrrraauw?

Just for the record, Mrrraauw, your eMac also was built 44th week of 2004, even though it was purchased in 2005.

I make this point to help keep the parameters of this problem defined.

Could you post a link from the Dutch site pointing to this one (and the MacFixIt one) so that anyone finding the Dutch site will also then find this one. Same for anyone else who may have first looked on other Apple/Computer websites for answers to this problem.

May 19, 2006 12:02 AM in response to Farfanugan

Farfanugan, easiest way to confirm the problem is open the inspection hatch and check those capacitors.

But from the sounds of it - you're in for trouble.

When I had the problem it did not always break up into the "jibber" - maybe only 10-15% of the time. The other times it simply would freeze up.

Your eMac is certainly within the time frame (30th Week of 2004).

May 19, 2006 12:20 AM in response to cosmichobo

I have opened my computer up... but im not that computer savy. What am i looking for? what does it look like? I have look at this thread and seen the pictures of the "glue" but that didnt show pistures of bulging caps. some have said that it is "brown" but when i opened mine up i didnt know where the RAM is or anything. many of the notes on here say to look for things... but in truth i dont know what im looking at. could someone give me more specific instructions "for dummies" or maybe point me to a web site with pictures. i think someone posted some... but this thread is so long its hard to find something i read a month ago.
thnx for all the help.

May 19, 2006 1:00 AM in response to Farfanugan

Hi Farfanugan

http://members.optusnet.com.au/thecosmichobo/hatch.jpg

Looking at that pic - the caps are the black&gold coloured cylinders on the right side of the hatch.

At the top of the hatch is the eMac's 2 RAM slots - in my case only 1 RAM slot has any memory in it. On the left is the PRAM battery. The ribbon cable is for the hard drive (or cd/dvd).

As you can see in the pic (that's my eMac before it was repaired) one of the caps has a brown substance leaking out, and both of them are mis-shapen - they are bulging.

May 19, 2006 4:11 AM in response to cosmichobo

Exactly.

Which I found most strange when I read that apple custumer service in some cases didnt take ppl serious when they mentioned this thread as a back up that they werent isolated cases. And the response then was that these threads are nonsense. As if someone or a lot of someones are really having much too much time and spend making up problems, and post about it? I think it's a lack of respect for her customers that apple suspects that we are making this story up.

In an ironic kinda funny way this reminds me of the movie pulse where electricity takes over and all circuits melt down...

May 19, 2006 4:25 AM in response to Mrrraauw?

Here's another eMac from the Netherlands showing the symptoms... My computer went haywire two days ago after I tried to wake it from sleep. The dsplay was completely jumbled, yet I could hear incoming e-mail in the background. I haven't had the time to try out my computer again, will post serial number, tech specs and stuff this weekend, and maybe open her up. I'm not amused by the prospect of this being a serious fault, lets hope mine was one time bad luck... I'll keep all posted.

Regards,
Manimalle

May 19, 2006 8:02 AM in response to Andrew Watson

yes, my eMac 1.25 HAD the exact same problem. I called Apple and of course no one claimed that there is a Program (list of admitted problems) opened from Apple to handle a recall. So that was a dead end like everyone else's testimony.

I made a reservation at my local Apple Store and lugged the heavy machine through the mall to the Genius Bar.

The crew at the genius bar are the best computer service people I have ever experienced. I have been working on Macs for over 15 years and can honestly say that I was very impressed and appreciative of their professionalism and knowledge.

I thought I was going to get a cold shoulder because I was not under the one-year warranty. Instead, everyone treated it with the concern and respect of a newborn baby. I don't know the protocol or who calls the shot, but somehow they were allowed to replace my motherboard free of charge and labor cost. I asked why are you willing to do this...it'll come out of someone's pocket, no? They told me they don't like what they see inside my computer and they have the authority to fix things that "don't look right."

MY ADVISE TO PEOPLE WHO CAN GO TO AN APPLE STORE: be patient, let them do their thing, don't breath down their neck when they're inspecting your machine. State your intentions and what you wish could happen in a perfect world (ie my Mac is prematurely broken and has apparent faulty parts). And bring the little wrench that came with the eMac to open the bottom. They will return your actions with the same professionalism.

I could not have imagined better results. And am looking forward to another 15 years of loyalty to Apple and my Apple Store. I am a real person with the real problem. Not some person hired to improve Apple's PR.

eMac 1.25GHz and PowerPC G4 1GHz Mac OS X (10.3.9) Have owned over dozens of Macs

eMac 1.25GHz and PowerPC G4 1GHz Mac OS X (10.3.9) Have owned over dozens of Macs

May 19, 2006 1:59 PM in response to jefery

Just want to report that I emailed Jobs, was soon contacted by a customer service rep, and had my logic board replaced for free within 2 weeks. Apple is recognizing the problem and doing the right thing--
Advice: go straight to the top, or to an apple dealer, be clear about what the problem is and how to fix it, and of course- be polite. Good luck to all with this issue.

May 19, 2006 2:17 PM in response to subwayfreak

Greetings from Paris. My eMac, after suffering through the same problems as everyone else here, was repaired (after 5 weeks) by FNAC, the retailer who sold it to me. Besides the fact that the FNAC is terrible, and doesn't understand customer service in any way, shape or form, the computer seems to work without a problem. A new logic board was put in (and the serial number disappeared – but on a sticky bit on the optical drive draw, thanks to several for pointing that out) and the computer functions. However, there is obviously a problem now with eMac across Europe, from what I've read here. Most people don't know about this discussion forum, so it is very important that anyone who knows someone with an eMac lets them know it exists.

And, if you have a Yahoo ID, I encourage you to post on the Yahoo Apple Finance board. Just post messages linking this board and making mention of the problem. Over and over and over again. This thread needs to be marketed ... to Apple!

I hope they don't delete this message...

Investor Relations at Apple reads this board. While there are plenty of kooks on the board, a concerted efforted by several hundred people posting about these problems of logic boards, and customer service might get Apple's attention to issue a global recall for the logic boards. That's what is fair. Continued denials by Apple will not cut it. Yes, we know the eMac is discontinued (as is the CPU), but my honest estimation is that purchasers of eMacs represents enough business to Apple that a serious effort be made to make amends here. Fix the problem, no fees, no questions asked. That's what serious companies do.

Best,

MISTAHCOUGHDROP

Apple on Yahoo Finance is here: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL&d=t

May 19, 2006 5:52 PM in response to Andrew Watson

Opened the bottom access cover,yep sure enough two capacitors visible with the + on top and one is bulging,not leaking yet. I'm glad to hear some emacers are getting the free repairs they deserve.Thanks to those who responded to my post with good info.My emac works OK for now except the DVD player.Will start the process of contacting Apple to fix it for me. I agree that even though emacs are no longer marketed to personel users, that the large number sold to business and education represents a big market that Apple would like to keep happy.Even with this bad cap issue I still would never go back to PCs. I've been scared for life by Win98SE. and didn't like any of the newer Win OS much better.

emac 1.25Ghz G4 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

May 19, 2006 8:45 PM in response to jefery

My mom's eMac 1.25 / 40 / Combo {serial# G8431F46QJ8}, purchased in summer 2004, started exhibiting all these same problems starting around February-March 2006 or so. My mom didn't buy the AppleCare due to the cost, and because we hadn't had hardware problems in recent memory (my old G3 Yosemite, iBook SE, and iMac 233 are still chugging along fine under 10.3.9, and I even have a Performa 6290 and Mac TV doing day-to-day television duty). We were also under the mistaken impression that Powerbook 5300-type inherently defective hardware issues were long in Apple's past (yes, I had one of those too...)

Over the past months, as the problems on the eMac worsened, we've done all the usual things - fix drive permissions, reinstall MacOS, etc. No help. Got so bad that I couldn't even back up the information currently on the drive w/o booting into Safe Mode. Many, many hours wasted.

I brought the eMac home in preparation for a "nuke-&-pave" reformat, but decided to do a little Web searching prior to doing it. What should I find, but this discussion! (thanks!) Decided to hold off on the reformat, deleted the video drivers in Safe Mode (no drop in video speed, but the graphics are noticeably fuzzier now), and backed it up. Functions, but clearly can't be trusted for long-term use.

After reading all the postings here, I phoned Apple Customer Support this morning. They were initially less than helpful, but after I referred them to this discussion, I was put on hold for quite a while and then told to take the ailing eMac to the closest Apple Store so that it could be looked at to see if it could be taken care of. I asked, "just bring it down there?", and they said "yes, just bring it to the store".

I haven't had much contact with Apple Stores in my long Mac experience - in fact, just finding the store info on the Apple website was quite a chore. Missed entirely the small print about "would you like to make a reservation?" - more on this below.

Lugged that darn heavy & hard-to-carry thing into the car for the drive down to the Apple Store (Biltmore). Fought the traffic, found a space, & lugged the eMac into the store.

I have never been treated as rudely in a retail establishment (and I mean any retail establishment) as I was by the three so-called 'staff' behind that counter. The worst, a young lady whose name I will omit here, dealt with me in an extremely dismissive and condescending manner, acting as if I was some sort of an imbecile because a) I brought a machine in without an appointment, and b) I wasn't fully aware of their requirement to set an appointment (something I haven't had to deal with at other computer repair centers). She acknowledged that there was nothing on the store website that indicated that appointments were mandatory, but then said in a voice that one would use to a 2-year-old, "I can write this down for you if will help you understand" - it was all I could to control my response at that point. Didn't stop her from trying to upsell me to ProCare in the next breath, though. I was tempted to tell those kids that I was ResEditing System 6.0.3 when they were in preschool, but it clearly wouldn't have helped - likely wouldn't have meant anything to 'em anyway.

The lead annoyance, er, staffer told me (again in that rude and condescending manner) that all appointments were booked for the day (showing my foolishness for arriving at the only time my schedule would allow), and that I'd just have to take the computer back home and try my luck setting a same-day appointment on the Web for some future date - unless, of course, I'd like to shell out for ProCare just for the privilege of setting an appointment a few days in the future. And they were quick to let me know that it was a violation of corporate policy for a machine to remain at the store unless in had been accepted for repair ( after the appointment, of course). Given my schedule & frequent travel, it's going to be tough to set a same-day appointment in the foreseeable future - and no, I'm not giving Apple one cent more for something that should be considered basic customer service.

And so I had to haul that heavy piece of snow-colored ** back to the car for the long drive home, a whole lot less satisfied than when I started earlier today. Meanwhile, my elderly mom, who likened her eMac (when healthy) to "a part of her" due to its being her wonderful gateway to the world of the Web, remains eMac-less until we can get this resolved.

From here on in, I will only deal with the Apple Store on an as-needed basis, and will be sure to tell one and all about their particular style of "customer service". I suppose I'll have to go down there again to get this eMac fixed (or drive 30 miles farther to another store that likely has the same sort of "service") - but I certainly won't spend any money I don't absolutely have to at any Apple Store ever again.

And after all this we still don't know if they'll have the gall to try to demand $600+ for a new logic board after they finally look at it.

After 17+ years of being a Mac person from the days of the 2-floppy Plus, it's enough to drive me to PCs - except for that memory of resurrecting my wife's Sony XP machine two weeks ago.

rcm <http://www.richardcmoeur.com>

eMac 1.25 (mom's) Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Mac OS X (10.3.9)

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