Currently Being ModeratedApr 26, 2011 2:57 PM (in response to johncowleyintexas)
Your partition map may be incorrect.
1. Open Disk Utility and highlight the physical drive (Not the partition)
2. On the bottom framing of the window it will display information regarding the drive.
3. Look for "Partition Map Scheme"
4. If it says anything but "GUID Partition Table" your computer system will not be able to use it as a bootable drive.
If it is incorrect it will need to be changed, which in turn requires a reformat of the drive.
Lemme know if you need help changing that, or if it is already "GUID Partition Table"
Currently Being ModeratedApr 27, 2011 8:40 AM (in response to ebinellis)
The drive is formatted "GUID Partition Table."
The strange part of this is that the Startup Disk application in the System Preferences sees the Firewire, external drive's system folder and allows me to select the drive as the startup drive but then won't complete that selection at a restart. The machine defaults to the system folder in the drive installed in Bay 1. Also, the external drive mounts as a useable storage drive.
My next step is to get another firewire, external drive and see if it works. It occurs to me that it may be that this drive is defective.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 27, 2011 8:42 AM (in response to johncowleyintexas)
what OS is installed in this external HDD?also, can you perform a manual start up manager and see if it boots up that way?(restart the machine and press and hold Option)
Currently Being ModeratedApr 27, 2011 11:21 AM (in response to kisuke3)
kisuke3 hit it on the head I think.
Its important that the install on your external is with the original discs provided with your computer.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 27, 2011 12:57 PM (in response to ebinellis)
I did attempt to use the startup manager by pressing and holding the Option key at restart. The external did not appear as a choice with the Manual Startup Manager even though the Startup Disk application in the System Preferences did see it.
The new external, firewire drive has Snow Leopard installed. The MacPro came with OS X version 10.2 or something. I can't remember. We have upgraded the machine regularly to keep in line with the better software versions. The original internal drive in Bay 1 also had Snow Leopard installed on it and it booted fine.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 27, 2011 1:24 PM (in response to johncowleyintexas)
What is the CPU and memory specs of the computer?
Currently Being ModeratedApr 27, 2011 2:31 PM (in response to johncowleyintexas)
Mac Pro came with 10.4.7 or later.
There is a list of OS X builds by model.
If it shows in Startup Disk that is a good step.
I would still use Disk Utility to repair permissions on it, and probably rerun the last combo update on it.
There is no mention of the make of this external case? some - a few? don't work.
When 10.6.0 came out there were a LOT of threads and issues with units no longer working in the SL forum.
Using Option brings up Apple boot manager
Some have even had trouble using software to clone the OS to external, such as CCC.
Best bet is SuperDuper or clean install.
External drives, make sure that when you click on the drive (WDxxxxxx) it shows "GUID" in order to be used by OS X or used by TimeMachine.3.2GHz 8GB DDR3 1600 GTX 460 / GTX 260, Windows 7, Mac Pro 8800GT Corsair F120/F90 10.6.7
Currently Being ModeratedApr 27, 2011 5:44 PM (in response to johncowleyintexas)
Maybe that's not a MacPro, I believe that's a PPC. Snow leopard is not compatible with PPC machine. Even if you put that in GUID.
Tell me what the processor name is of your desktop. That should answer everything
Currently Being ModeratedApr 28, 2011 8:26 AM (in response to kisuke3)
The processor of this machine is a Dual-Core Intel Xeon with 6 GB of Memory.
Leopard was installed as an upgrade on the HDD that came with the MacPro and used for sometime on this machine without problem. We then upgraded to Snow Leopard and then decided to replace the original primary drive with this new, external, firewire drive. We installed Snow Leopard on the new drive and then tried to make it the startup disk. That is when we began having these problems.
I decided to send the 4T, expensive, fast, new external drive back to the store and exchange it for a slower, 2T, internal drive. Snow Leopard installed and the machine accepted the new drive as the startup disk. All is well I just don't have as big or as fast a drive as I wanted.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 30, 2011 9:55 PM (in response to johncowleyintexas)
TThanks for the detailed explanation. What could be happening here is the 4T expensive and fast drive may not just be compatible with the main logic board of the machine. Of course there are still limitations even if its upgradeable.
Looking at the latest line up of MacPros in the store
When you perform a customize to order, the Max is 2TB. It could very well be that per HDD Bay the max that it can read and support is 2TB.
That's why yours worked.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 30, 2011 10:33 PM (in response to kisuke3)
That is another interesting theory, But I do not think it is quite correct. These really Big drives tend to have 4K blocks, which Windows has struggled with because they did not align their logical blocks to physical blocks and it can make the drive run really slowly. Macs have successfully formatted drives like that, at least as GUID drives, since at least 10.4 -- when they are directly attached inside the cabinet.
This is more likely to be a shortocming of the interface in your extenal enclosure not being able to cope with such a big drive.
The only reason the Apple store stops at 2 TB drives is that they have not tested the larger ones yet. They are often behind the curve in this area. They will test them when they feel there will be enough demand.
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Currently Being ModeratedApr 30, 2011 10:52 PM (in response to johncowleyintexas)
Some of Firewire external drives do not support as boot drive, in fact, I have an external Firewire drive which is not supported.