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help codec error h.264 & DVCPRO

hi guys, pls help if you can - my mind is going to mush...


I have a 1280x720p, 29.97, H.264, Square Pixel, Field Dom None timeline, my B-roll source materal is 1280x720p, 29.97, H.264, Square Pixel, Field Dom None. Everything inserts fine with no rendering. Beautiful. However, I need to bring in some other On-Camera speaking parts that were shot at 29.97, 720x480 SQU mode (Panasonic DVX100B), compressor DV DVCPRO, pixel NTSC CCIR 601, Field Dom Lower (Even) with a check mark for Anamorphic.


90% of my content is 720. A red bar appears in the timeline when I import this DVCPRO 720x480, pixel 601 format. I attempt to render. It says Codec Error and is unusable. Any way I can use this video in this timeline and let it render. Is the conflict between h.264 and DVCPRO? Or is there a work around?


Thanks for your support.

MacBook Pro Intel Dual Core, 2 GB, OSX 10.4.11, Mac OS X (10.4.11), 2 GB, External drives, FCP 5.1.4

Posted on May 1, 2011 1:07 PM

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May 1, 2011 1:29 PM in response to EnglishBayDon

Although finalcutpro will often allow you to mix codecs, frame sizes and frame rates in the same sequence, in my opinion, it is much better to convert all material where needed to the same format. H264 is not a finalcutpro friendly format and although fcp may allow you to work with it, more than likely it will eventually cause problems. I would advise converting all your material to 29.97 1280 prores.

May 1, 2011 1:55 PM in response to EnglishBayDon

How do I convert all my h.264 B-roll source material? How do I convert to prores in FCP? There must be a workaround? I've just attempted to Motion manipulate a graphic that has PhotoJPEG compression and now that craps out? Codec Error when I render. How would I render all my Broll clips and source material? Geez, this could take forever...and I dont' have that kind of time...anybody have other options pls and tks? or similar workarounds?

May 1, 2011 1:59 PM in response to EnglishBayDon

The simplest way to convert your material is to use compressor. If you need some help with workflow in compressor, post back. it's pretty simple when you get the hang of it.


If you've already done alot of editing you could try using media manager, but I'm not sure if that would work. It could take a long time and not be successful.


Sorry that this is time consuming but you really need to test your workflow BEFORE you start editing.

May 1, 2011 2:13 PM in response to EnglishBayDon

hi Michael, I'm just beginning the edit with th h.264 B-roll material and I have 30 clips each from two differnent sources. I don't see a Prores option in FCP to Recompress media using...in Media Manager. wouldn't it be easier to convert the DVCPRO to h.264 source material?


I don't see the options in Compressor. Can you provide a workflow pls and tks. 90% of my source will need to be converted but I would like to ensure the DVCPRO will work in the timeline too.


Thanks for your help. Really...

May 1, 2011 2:21 PM in response to EnglishBayDon

h264 is not fcp friendly. No matter how much easier it is in the short term, you're asking for trouble.


In the apple presets for compressor under other workflows: apple codecs: you'll see a number of prores options. The great thing about these is that they will maintain the frame size and frame rate of the source clips.


You said your original material had field dominance: none, this indicates that it is progressive material so choose one of the progressive options. Don't think there's any need to use the highquality option.


Do a couple of conversions and bring them into fcp and make sure they behave properly.


Once you've determined that everything is working ok, you can drag all the clips you need to convert into a batch window in conmpressor and apply the appropriate preset to all of them and hit submit and walk away. Make sure you have sufficient drive space on your destination.

May 1, 2011 2:59 PM in response to EnglishBayDon

Try MPEG Streamclip, I'm a big fan. It will do a batch list of all your clips and convert them any which way you want and it's fast. I use ProRes for EVERYTHING, either pulling it in via HDSDI through the Kona card, or SDI uprezing also via the Kona, or using MPEG stream clip to convert to ProRes or ClipWrap or Grinder.

In your case you can convert to your timeline format before working with the footage.

May 1, 2011 3:05 PM in response to EnglishBayDon

Working with H.264 in Final Cut really is a bad idea. I would like to mirror the suggestions of others..you should convert your H.264 media to ProRes422.


The easiest way to do this would be to close Final Cut and move your original media into a folder within the folder the clips reside in. This breaks Final Cut's connections to the media. Next, open up Compressor, go to the Destinations tab and make a new local destination. This destination SHOULD be where the original media was residing before you moved it. Now open Compressor's Preferences. Change the Default Setting to Formats -> Quicktime -> ProRes 422 LT and change the Default Destination to the destination you made. Now drag all of your original H.264 media into Compressor and hit submit twice.


When Compressor has finished open up the Final Cut project and reconnect the offline media to the newly converted media. Open the Sequence Settings and change the "Compressor" to ProRes 422 LT. Now most of your media is handled properly.


Your DVX footage should live on the timeline happily alongside the ProRes media without needing a render. If you run into trouble with it drag it into Compressor and go to the Geometry tab in the Inspector. Change the output size to 1280x720 with square pixels. Submit twice and reconnect in FCP.

May 1, 2011 3:13 PM in response to NLEdit

if you've got a multicore mac, you can setup a cluster in the qmaster preference pane and choose the cluster when you submit in conpresser. Speeds things up enormously (usually). A couple of caveats. I find I have to reset qmaster preferences every time I restart the mac and since compressor is dividing the task, and then has to assemble the resulting file, it makes no sense to do this with short files.


I'm happy to run some tests. If anyone wants to discuss parameters off this thread, we could start a new thread, or just email each other. My email is in my profile.

May 1, 2011 3:33 PM in response to Michael Grenadier

we should start the new thread. I've had to help way too many people setup clusters in Compressor. It's probably the weakest off all the apps in the suite, as useful and necessary as it it. I have the luxury of multiple machines. It's much faster for me to copy a "master" file to the other Mac Pro and render in Squeeze over there for outputs. Ingesting footage is fast without a problem using MPEG Streamclip, but I can run that on the other machine as well. And I monitor the other machine using screen sharing. I don't have any 5D files or I'd try Grinder on those. It looks fast in the demo.

May 1, 2011 3:54 PM in response to EnglishBayDon

wow, thanks guys, for all the input, but I'm having a problem with Soundman instructions for conversion...


Now open Compressor's Preferences. Change the Default Setting to Formats -> Quicktime -> ProRes 422 LT and change the Default Destination to the destination you made. Now drag all of your original H.264 media into Compressor and hit submit twice.


I open Preferences in Compressor 2.3, came with FCP, and no options for Quicktime under Default settings. I select New Default Setting and there is an option for Quicktime movie and that's it. I select Advanced Formats and nothing ProRes there, just all the standard DVD presets etc.. And no PreREs422 options anywhere, as well the Default Destination does not allow me to choose the Custom setting if it was there.


Hmm. Suggestions? Choose another option? I see HD Uncompressed 422. Not sure which to choose that will be compatible?

May 1, 2011 5:39 PM in response to EnglishBayDon

Yes, Houston, we do have a problem.

Your stats show that you're way behind the times with 10.4, add that to FCP 5 and yes, you have some things missing. Is there some reason you haven't updated the OS for so long? You say you have an Intel Mac. FCP 5 is from 2005. Prores came out in 2007 with FCStudio 2. There are some codecs that you can install to read ProRes, but they're not supposed to work to write unless you have FCS 2 (minimum) installed. So you're way behind the times, if what I read is true.

May 2, 2011 10:54 AM in response to NLEdit

I think it's better to do this outside of the forum. There are a lot of variables to decide so we're all testing the same file, etc. Anyone who wants to participate should email me. My email is in my profile.


We'll hopefully figure out a format we want to use as a source and someone will post a file for everyone participating to download and then upload their compressed files.


Michael

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