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Pin radius vicinity issues

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CraigM68 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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May 3, 2011 3:13 AM



This problem below got caught up on another thread with a different problem, thought best to start a new thread for it.



My particular problem here comes from user manipulation via Manage Your Places of the radius of pins. It is slow, it is jerky and it is buggy and what it did some weeks back was jump on one particular pin and expand it to cover the entire world which basically overwrote every other location I had set. Why it would overwrite these without the user changing the settings for said pictures themselves is absolute stupidity, but I digress.


Rebuilding libraries etc. is not going to retract the radius of that circle I am assuming and restore all of the original locations I had. Anyway, I took a deep breath and decided to approach places a little differently and have a lot less specific places. Before I might have had 15 photo locations for a town, now the pics will come under just the town name.


So I have been going through renaming one of the fifteen pins (just from this one town as an example) as the town name, expanding it to cover the area the 15 covered then I delete off the other 14 as places. Time consuming and laborious but I see an eventual sensible outcome from it and in theory quicker to rename all my lost places.


The problem is that the radius issue keeps happening, half a dozen times in the past 3 or 4 days alone and this meant that roughly 2500 pics I had relabelled were once again overwritten with the location of the pin with the expanded radius. And I'm back to square one.


So is there any workaround for this particular Places problem?




  • Richard Liu Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
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    May 15, 2011 11:08 PM (in response to CraigM68)



    I am not sure to what extent less specific places "solves" the problem, which seems to be the radius that a pin receives when placed on the map for the first time.  It seems to be a value determined by Google, is not displayed in the teeny-weeny Assign a Place... dialog, and cannot be modified until it has or has not overlapped other custom places.  So, while the probability of overlap might be somewhat reduced by less specific places, the inconvenience it causes is increased.  I have noticed that Google defines a region named "Aletschgletscher" or "Jungfrau Aletsch" (working from memory here), which has a rather large radius due to the very irregular shape of the glacier, and that pins defined for towns in the Obergoms region, e.g., Blitzingen, Niederwald, Oberwald, Ulrichen, etc., often assumed the very large radius of the Aletsch Glacier.  Besides, I'm wondering why on earth I should have to modify my use of this feature to accommodate Apple's stupid implementation of it.  Nobody in Apple should even consider making the argument that this is how it should work.  The legions of problems it causes is well documented in these forums, although, as we all know, Apple "isn't monitoring" them and hence, presumably, is quite unaware of them.  And iPhoto 09 implemented Places completely differently -- the interface didn't have the eye-candy and "just magical" appeal of the present one, but it didn't cause the problems we're experiencing with Places in iPhoto 11.


    My "solution" to the pin radius problem is:

    1. Enter a character string in "Assign a Place..." and see what iPhoto suggests.
    2. If you are tempted to select a suggestion that is a custom place of yours, do so only if you don't intend to modify its location or name.  Doing so will have the same effect as modifying it in Manage My Places!
    3. If you select a place suggested by Google, try to locate it sufficiently far away from other custom places (iPhoto no help here), and give it a name that you can easily recognize and distinguish from Google's suggestions in the future (cf. warning above).
    4. Go directly to Manage My Places, find the new place, judge which existing places it overlaps, and note them down somewhere for the next step.  Then reduce its radius and adjust its location.
    5. Go into the Places view and select the new place.  In all probability there will be photos at that place that don't belong there.  Assign them to the correct place from the list you made in the step above.
    6. Weep and gnash teeth as necessary.  Regularly chant:  "On a Mac it just works!"  Keep stiff upper lip and imagine how much clumsier this must be in Windows.




  • Tyrkitty Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    May 16, 2011 7:14 PM (in response to Richard Liu)

    I feel your pain - trying to fix some of my places now that I have upgraded to iPhoto 11.  My issues are in Australia.  Pretty big place, but even though my pins look far enough apart it seems to lump anything in Cairns together.  I think I'm going to also have to forget detailed places for now.

    Still playing with it though - did finally get Sydney Opera House photos into a smart album even though I have other places in Sydney marked.  So confusing - but not giving up.

  • Jonathan Jensen Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    May 17, 2011 5:17 AM (in response to CraigM68)

    Places does not work for me either.  When I import new photos to a location I created, then move them slightly on the smaller map to manage their precise location - within the radius for a location I created - it changes my original location and the radius to a new one. 


    I am very upset with the Places feature in iPhoto - especially as a longtime mac user and a stock holder.  Just downloaded Picasa. 

  • worksology Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 15, 2012 7:03 PM (in response to CraigM68)

    I have experienced this (or a similar) problem twice today while attempting to geotag about 7000 travel photos! Here's what happened to me:


    While in the "Manage my Places" dialog, randomly (I assume it's random... maybe I clicked in the wrong spot? Can't say for sure exactly what triggered it) the alphabetically-first place was selected and its radius increased to cover 90% of the United States. (This place was called "1115 N. 12th" and, being in Kansas, aided in its coverage of the entire US). When this happend, a little over 5000 of my photos were automatically assigned to that place. ARGH!!


    At first I thought I'd lost all the work I'd put into geotagging my photos (over 30 hours this week!) so I was pretty sick, but I realized that all my custom places were still intact, which to be honest, is the real bulk of the work.


    The first thing I did was create a Smart Album selecting all the photos whose Place was == "1115 N. 12th" and then duplicate that into a regular album. Then I unset all the photos' Place value by selecting them all and clicking the X in the Assign Place HUD. Now I had 5000+ photos which moments earlier had been nicely geotagged but were now completely unlocated.


    Next I selected all of those files and ran Photos -> Rescan for location, which at least relocated all the photos whose EXIF had locations set (basically all the photos taken with my iPhone). This brought the total of unlocated photos down to around 3800.


    Then I worked through those 3800 a bit at a time, selecting a range of photos and then using the Assign a Place HUD to type the first few characters of a custom place and assigning them. This took about 90 minutes, but I had all of them correctly geotagged and was happy.


    Until it just happened again, a few minutes ago. Now I know a decent way to get them fixed, but I'm incredibly nervous about this happening again someday and reduplicating all this work yet again.


    This sounds to me like a freak bug... there's no reason for a Place's radius to just spontaneously erupt to cover a quarter of the planet, so I'm hoping to bring a bit of awareness to its existence in hopes that it might be fixed someday.

  • mysterm Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 17, 2012 11:14 AM (in response to CraigM68)

    Looks like this bug (or combination of bugs) has been happening for over a year with no warning or acknowlegment from Apple. Franky, this is messed up, Apple!


    The perfect storm of bugs is...


    1. A pin with a large radius overwrites the location of any smaller radius pins that it contains. Shrinking the radius removes any location data from the pins that were previously within its radius. ***?!
    2. Sometimes resizing the radius of a pin will arbitratily and inexpicably result in the radius of that pin (or another randomly selected pin) expanding to massive proportions. ***?
    3. (Arguably not a bug, but a severe UI issue.) When a Google location is selected from the list of locations in the Places lookup, there is no indication of the radius. A user could select a location from the list and wipe out location data for every photo within the unknown radius - and never have any idea what just happened.
    4. Time Machine has been "down-featured" so that it will not restore individual photos or events - only the entire library.


    I just had the Erupting Place Radius bug - enveloping and overwriting the places of 20,000 of my photos. Luckily I noticed the wierdness fairly quickly (just luck) and was able to restore the entire iPhoto library from backup. Most people won't notice until they've added more photos and they have no option but to re-locate every photo again manually.


    Using iPhoto Places is not only useless, but actually shamefully wasteful until Apple fixes things. It's like having spreadsheet software that suddenly overwrites an entire column of numbers, with no way of knowing. And Apple says nothing? I feel bad for all the people who have no idea that they're effing up their place data until it's too late.

  • Happy Bear Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 17, 2012 1:45 PM (in response to mysterm)

    This bug happend to me as well, both places and time machine not being able to just restore a subsection of the data...


    And on top of that, the Disk with the library is full enough that I cannot simply restore an entire copy of the library from time machine, I have to move a copy of the library off to an external disk, then try to restore from backup.


    I think it is fair to say that this is a real showstopper bug that Apple needs to address.  Simple fixes would be to limit the size of places to 4 miles (or whatever) or ask the user before more than 100 (or whatever) places are touched...



  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,680 points)
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    Apr 3, 2012 3:38 AM (in response to CraigM68)

    iPhoto menu -> Provide iPhoto Feedback


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