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(none) Ctein Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

Dear folks,

 

Several months ago I asked about what was involved in synching two  iPads owned by different people to the same system (https://discussions.apple.com/message/13007157#13007157) and got very helpful and reassuring answers.

 

Well, it worked like a charm. My new iPad2 is set up just like my old iPad, I wiped my old iPad, initialized it in iTunes as a new device (not a clone of the previous backup) and renamed it to give to my housemate. iTunes seems quite happy with this-- it sees "Ctein's iPad" and "Paula's iPad' as separate devices when we plug them in.

 

What's puzzling me is that it doesn't automatically maintain separate and isolated lists of apps for the two of us. iTunes wants to take all the apps in my iPad library and migrate it to Paula's iPad. I created a separate library for Paula's machine, so "all" we have to do is remember to hit Option when we launch iTunes and pull up the right library. I've also turned off automatic synch, just in case one of us forgets to hit Option when we launch. It's a bit less seamless, but should work well enough.

 

It seems to me, though, that there ought to be an automatic way to prevent comingling and to segregate our 'Pads' contents, that doesn't require manual control of separate libraries. Am I missing something obvious? (No, separate login accounts are not feasible-- we use the same computer at the same time or swap off very frequently.)

 

Isn't this a huge security hole in DRM? I mean, what's to prevent very bad things like someone from plugging all their friends' iPads into their machine and giving them free copies of all the apps they paid for?

 

pax / Ctein

  • kirisilvermane Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    apps are linked to your account details i think, so therwefore you cannot just plug anyones ipad into your library and hope the apps will install/run on the ipads.

    I run the same way you do but i have not created multiple libraries: i have my ipad names kirisutes ipad 2 and my partners named sarahs ipad...the apps on sarahs ipad dont automatically sync to mine..they both retain their own "tick box" references when they are plugged in.

    Although all apps are downloaded to my single library the ipads themselves retain seperate installs and contents.

    maybe you went too far in creating multiple libraries? or did you desire seperate payment details etc as well?

  • (none) Ctein Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    Dear K,

     

    Hmmm, that's the way I would've expected it to work-- that iTunes would just naturally keep segregated apps.

     

    Sounds like you're doing exactly what I want to. Mind if I ask what synch settings you're using? I had my iPad set up to automatically launch iTunes when the iPad is plugged in and to automatically sync apps, not not media (music/movies) content ('cause I'm always messing with that stuff).

     

    Maybe I should reset Paula's iPad back to Square One and start again. Nothing but the standard OS on it yet, so nothing to be lost.

     

    It *does* sound like I'm doing something wrong. Anyone else got a clue what it might be?

     

    Thanks!

     

     

    pax / Ctein

  • Dah•veed Level 7 Level 7 (32,195 points)

    You may share your iTunes content with up to five computers that you have authorized. You may share your iTunes content with as many iOS devices as you wish.

     

    Apple recommends three different ways to share your content with various iOS device.

     

    How to use multiple iPods, iPads, or iPhones with one computer

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1495

  • (none) Ctein Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    Dear D,

     

    Understood-- my situation is the exact opposite: we don't want to be sharing content. Read that doc and it seems to indicate the only solutions are separate accouns or separate libraries (unless I misread, which is always possible). But K, above, says it should work more seamlessly.

     

    Guess we'll figure it out sooner or later.

     

    pax / Ctein

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,400 points)

    (none) Ctein wrote:

     

    Dear K,

     

    Hmmm, that's the way I would've expected it to work-- that iTunes would just naturally keep segregated apps.

     

    Sounds like you're doing exactly what I want to. Mind if I ask what synch settings you're using? I had my iPad set up to automatically launch iTunes when the iPad is plugged in and to automatically sync apps, not not media (music/movies) content ('cause I'm always messing with that stuff).

     

    Maybe I should reset Paula's iPad back to Square One and start again. Nothing but the standard OS on it yet, so nothing to be lost.

     

    It *does* sound like I'm doing something wrong. Anyone else got a clue what it might be?

     

    Thanks!

     

     

    pax / Ctein

    Set up separate computer user login accounts and you will each have completely separate iTunes libraries.

    No need to remember to hold OPtion.

    This will also give you your own contacts, calendars and everything else.

  • (none) Ctein Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    Dear Chris,

     

    As I said in my original post: "separate login accounts are not feasible-- we use the same computer at the same time or swap off very frequently."

     

    This would be a far, far bigger hassle for us than merely remembering to hit Option when launching iTunes.

     

    But K indicates that even that shouldn't be necessary.

     

    pax / Ctein

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,400 points)
    "separate login accounts are not feasible-- we use the same computer at the same time or swap off very frequently."

    Fast user switching works great.

    Just select the account and enter password.

    But K indicates that even that shouldn't be necessary

     

    kirisilvermane wrote;

    apps are linked to your account details i think, so therwefore you cannot just plug anyones ipad into your library and hope the apps will install/run on the ipads.


    This is incorrect. When you plug any iPad in to your computer, you can sync everything in iTunes to  the iPad.

     

    You can select the iPad and select only what you want to sync (out of anything/everything in the library).

  • (none) Ctein Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    Dear Chris,

     

    Thank you. No.

     

    pax / Ctein

  • Dah•veed Level 7 Level 7 (32,195 points)

    He is doing it by maintaining separate setup for the two different devices. When a device is attached to your computer, you can configure it completely different than any other device by the content that you choose in each of the different tabs; Info, Apps, Video, Music, etc. So in Apps, if you only check the boxes for your apps when your iPad is connected, it should remember to only sync those apps from that point on. If you have arranged your music content into Playlists and you configure for iTunes to only sync those playlists in the Music tab when your iPad is connected, then it should remember which playlists from that moment on and only sync those playlists.

  • kirisilvermane Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    Ok this is how I did it:

    First I use windows 7, shouldn't make a difference though the process is the same

    Backed up ipad1.

    Synced and activated iPad 2 and set sync options as follows: sync only chosen apps, don't sync music, photos, sync only chosen books

    Music and vids etc are personal choices I have iphone4 as my music player so never use my iPad for music at all etc

    With all stuff synced to iPad 2 I plugged in iPad 1 and did a RESTORE.

    Renamed ipad1 to suitable name.

    With all that done both iPads now are set to sync on plugging in, but not to automatically sync all items! I've kept all syncing to the option of " sync only chosen items"

     

    The iPads will copy all purchases back to the same iTunes account, as well as photos etc stored into same library! I just use my account on both iPads so no need for multiple libraries. It means of course that I see all the stuff my partner has purchased and downloaded etc but that ain't an issue; and because I do all the IOS updates etc I just keep both iPads running smooth from the single pc unit.

    As dah veed says; you might just need to arrange some playlists and go from auto syncing everything to just syncing selected items.

  • kirisilvermane Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    You mis understood what I was getting at! I thought for security reasons an app purchase is linked to your iTunes account data. So in order for someone to just install all their  apps on their mates iPads it would require that single account on all the other iPads! there is no way to share apps between iTunes accounts....but as long as all devices are setup with the same iTunes account on the devices then apps can be shared happily.

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,400 points)
    I thought for security reasons an app purchase is linked to your iTunes account data

    It is. If the computer is deauthorized for the iTunea ccount used to purchase, those apps will not sync to the iPad

     

    Keep in mind that an iTunes account is not the same thing as an iTunes library.

    • iTunes account is used to purchase items.
    • iTunes library is used to store those purchases.

    iTunes accounts can be authorized on 5 computers. This means you can have apps purchased with a single iTunes accounts on 5 different computers (such as Dad's, Mom' and a few kid's).

    but as long as all devices are setup with the same iTunes account on the devices then apps can be shared happily

    iDevices (iPads, iPods, iPhones) are not setup (in the way you seem to be thinking) with an iTunes account. When initially setup, you create an iTunes account but that is to make purchases. Skip creating an iTunes account and the iPad and iTunes will work fine (except you cannot make iTunes purchases).

     

    You can have purchases from different iTunes accounts in the same iTunes library and you can sync those same purcahses from different accounts to the same iPad.

     

    I have three iTunes accounts (me and two daughters) authorized on my computer (same iTunes librarr) and all these can sync to the iPad.

    I can purchase using any of the three iTunes accounts on the computer or directly on the iPad.

  • (none) Ctein Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    Dear Kiri and Dah,

     

    Ohhhh, I think enlightenment is slowing happening.

     

    When I first set up Paula's iPad and saw all my apps being presented in iTunes' app list, I just said "Wooaa, put down the can opener and step slowly away from the worms" before I seriously FUBARed something.

     

    So, what I should do is plug in Paula's iPad, launch my iTunes library, and uncheck all my apps. Then when her iPad is plugged in, those apps won't be set to be synched, but when I plug my iPad in they will be, right?

     

    I'm on a Mac and I think there may be a slight difference in the Win and Mac iTunes interfaces. I don't see a specific option for " sync only chosen items." There is one for "synch only checked songs and videos" but nothing that would seem to include apps.

     

    Hey, Maccers, amd I missing an option that's present, or is that simply not a separate control in the Mac version?

     

    Thanks again, guys.

     

    pax / Ctein

  • (none) Ctein Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    Dear Chris,

     

    Ah, thanks for explaining that! Basically, the library list that iTunes throws up is everything it's got stored in that library, but that doesn't mean all the content is available/accessable to every device. IOW, the permissions are distinct from file visibility. Have I got that right?

     

    I think part of my problem is that with 45 years of hacking under my belt, I just *assume* things will be more complicated than they look.

     

    Wish I could throw you a helpful point, but I used up both on K and D before your message posted. Consider this a virtual one.

     

    Thanks!

     

    pax /  Ctein

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