Q: will AppleWorks be able to run on Lion?

AppleWorks requires Rosetta, which LIon does not support. Making it available again would require complete reprogramming from the ground up and the chances of that happening are, frankly, nil.

Roger Wilmut1 wrote:

 

AppleWorks requires Rosetta, which LIon does not support. Making it available again would require complete reprogramming from the ground up and the chances of that happening are, frankly, nil.

There's a much simpler option than that, if only Apple would see the light. If all new machines were sold with two partitions, a default one running Lion, plus another running Snow Leopard+Rosetta, that would satisfy everyone.

christopher rigby1 wrote:

 

If all new machines were sold with two partitions, a default one running Lion, plus another running Snow Leopard+Rosetta, that would satisfy everyone.

It would only satisfy the relatively small number of people still using PPC programs. Everyone else would ask why their disk space was being wasted. And anyway new machines won't run Snow Leopard whatever you do.

Roger Wilmut1 wrote:

 

christopher rigby1 wrote:

 

If all new machines were sold with two partitions, a default one running Lion, plus another running Snow Leopard+Rosetta, that would satisfy everyone.

It would only satisfy the relatively small number of people still using PPC programs. Everyone else would ask why their disk space was being wasted. And anyway new machines won't run Snow Leopard whatever you do.

•     It may be relatively small, but it's still a big number in absolute terms.

•     Explain? I don't understand that.

Christopher and Roger,

I was writing a reply to Roger and — probably because of the Christopher's reply, my post was lost.

I am one of those people, specially because of AppleWorks DB and SS modules. The DB can be reconstruct from scratch — they are in the head, after 12 years; the SS can be open in Numbers, but with arrangements, since some functions of AW 6 do not exist in Numbers. AW 6 is not so powerful as Numbers, but it is a lot easier to work with. Some SS files are imported and carry the results of the formulas but not all the formulas and when this is the case, the cells contain red and blue triangles showing that some things are missing.

Yesterday I bought Lion and since I have been trying to make a 2nd partition to have Snow Leopard on it. My 2007 MacBook have a 120 GB of storage and 2 GB of DDR2 SDRAM. I have been freeing space on it; now I have 30 GB free and I try to add a second partition with the size in the range of 10 GB ~ 20 GB.

Always comes the message saying that I am failing to achieve that. I am following the MacWorld tutorial “Christopher and Roger,

I was writing a reply to Roger and — probably because of the Christopher's reply, my post was lost.

I am one of those people, specially because of AppleWorks DB and SS modules. The DB can be reconstruct from scratch — they are in the head, after 12 years; the SS can be open in Numbers, but with arrangements, since some functions of AW 6 do not exist in Numbers. AW 6 is not so powerful as Numbers, but it is a lot easier to work with. Some SS files are imported and carry the results of the formulas but not all the formulas and when this is the case, the cells contain red and blue triangles showing that some things are missing.

Yesterday I bought Lion and since I have been trying to make a 2nd partition to have Snow Leopard on it. My 2007 MacBook have a 120 GB of storage and 2 GB of DDR2 SDRAM. I have been freeing space on it; now I have 30 GB free and I try to add a second partition with the size in the range of 10 GB ~ 20 GB.

Always comes the message saying that I am failing to achieve that. I am following the Cnet.com tutorial “JULY 20, 2011 3:11 PM PDT

How to keep Snow Leopard when upgrading to Lion

Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20081187-263/how-to-keep-snow-leopard-when- upgrading-to-lion/#ixzz1Svy3jrCO”

I did not install Lion yet, because of this. I would have difficult finding time to rewrite my DBs from scratch — they are in my head, after 12 years of continued use — until the scholar year is over in december. Some of them I use all the days at the schools. Besides that, I will have to get a mortgage to buy FileMaker Pro.

Some suggestion about the partition process?

Best regards,

Jorge Lucas (the guy from Rio Grande do Sul)

christopher rigby1 wrote:

 

Roger Wilmut1 wrote:

... And anyway new machines won't run Snow Leopard whatever you do

 

•     Explain? I don't understand that.

Any Mac is unable to boot with a system earlier than the one it came with: the hardware won't do it. So if you buy a new machine that has Lion installed on it, you can't boot it from Snow Leopard even from an external drive.

This page offers suggestions on partitioning a drive:

http://osxdaily.com/2011/04/26/partition-hard-drive-mac-os-x/

You would be extremely ill-advised to partition a drive without backing it up first. Given that this requires an external hard disk, you might feel it was easier to install Snow Leopard on an external hard disk and boot from there (you may need to make it a FireWire disk to do this depending on the age of your machines - only more recent machines can boot from USB but I don't know when this started).

Roger Wilmut1 wrote:

 

christopher rigby1 wrote:

 

Roger Wilmut1 wrote:

... And anyway new machines won't run Snow Leopard whatever you do

 

•     Explain? I don't understand that.

 

Any Mac is unable to boot with a system earlier than the one it came with: the hardware won't do it. So if you buy a new machine that has Lion installed on it, you can't boot it from Snow Leopard even from an external drive.

Surely, that doesn't apply to the latest generation of machines that were manufactured before Lion came out? And as for future machines, the hardware COULD do it if Apple had the will to design machines that are capable of running both Snow Leopard and Lion. That shouldn't be difficult, given that the current generation can. (This isn't just related to AW, but to all PPC software - and there's a lot out there!)

christopher rigby1 wrote:

 

Surely, that doesn't apply to the latest generation of machines that were manufactured before Lion came out?

No, you can do it on them. I was referring to machines shipped with Lion - as of any time now.

And as for future machines, the hardware COULD do it if Apple had the will to design machines that are capable of running both Snow Leopard and Lion.

I suppose so, but it would seem obvious that Apple has no interest in doing this, any more than in optical drives, web galleries, or anything else they consider outmoded.

Roger Wilmut1 wrote:

 

And as for future machines, the hardware COULD do it if Apple had the will to design machines that are capable of running both Snow Leopard and Lion.

I suppose so, but it would seem obvious that Apple has no interest in doing this, any more than in optical drives, web galleries, or anything else they consider outmoded.

Depressingly, I think you're right. Which makes it all the more remarkable that they continue to release versions of iTunes and Safari (and iLife and iWork) that are capable of running on years-old machines.

Christopher,

AppleWorks was abandoned several years ago and was running until Snow Leopard; I am not complaying about that, but there is not remarkable in releasing versions of iWork that run on years-old machines.

iWork does not use Rosetta; it is a quite new incomplete suite.

Jorge Lucas (the guy from rio Grande do Sul)

Roger,

I saw this tutorial; what about the cnet.com's? In the later, they do not say that I should need and external hard drive.

Now, following the cnet.com's advice, I have 31.3 GB free. Do you think that it will be possible to add the 2nd partition as described by them?

To facilitate, my data are:

Yesterday I bought Lion and since I have been trying to make a 2nd partition to have Snow Leopard on it. My 2007 MacBook have a 120 GB of storage and 2 GB of DDR2 SDRAM. I have been freeing space on it; now I have 31.3 GB free and I try to add a second partition with the size in the range of 10 GB ~ 20 GB.

Best regards,

Jorge Lucas (the guy from Rio Grande do Sul)

Basically that tutorial says the same thing as the Disk Utility help, and I can't really add anything to it. It's not something I've done and obviously something I can't test out. It should work: I should ask in the Snow Leopard forum where you may very likely find someone who's actually done this.

Roger,

Thanks.

I will try there, or find the time and the resources to buy FileMaker Pro and move away from AppleWorks.

It is the best suite that exists — as the way the modules are integrated — but the database is a flat one, it is abandoned and there is no way to keep it going. What a shame that there is no chance to Apple build a complete suite as AppleWorks, because FileMaker is an Apple subsidiary.

Best regards,

Jorge Lucas (the guy from rio Grande do Sul)

Jorge Lucas wrote:

 

AppleWorks was abandoned several years ago and was running until Snow Leopard; I am not complaying about that, but there is not remarkable in releasing versions of iWork that run on years-old machines.

iWork does not use Rosetta; it is a quite new incomplete suite.

That's not the point I was making. I was replying to Roger who believes (correctly I think )  that Apple have no interest in making manufacturing decisions that would enable  older technologies they consider outdated. But, they do make these decisions all the time, in upgrading software that will run on old machines as well as new ones. That's the point I was making.