Kristy Effinger

Q: Getting on the internet without ethernet or internal modem?

I have a very old Mac Performa 5320CD that I purchased back in 1995 or 96. This is an all-in-one very rare model that was only sold to educational markets and also in Europe, with a 120 MHz PowerPC 603e processor. I gave it to my Mom when I upgraded to my first G3 Tangerine iMac in 1999. She never really used it, but it still runs fine. I boxed it up along with her other possessions, and now I have a neighbor who is interested in the computer. I really thought that I was able to get on the internet with it when I had it, because I thought it had an internal modem, but Mactracker and other online sites like Every Mac, says that this computer did not have a modem or an ethernet port. I believe my neighbor just wants to use it to get on the internet and send/receive email. I still have to unbox the computer to check and see if it does indeed have an internal modem or not. I don't really have any place to set it up in my home. I've had 4 newer Macs since this one, so my memory about my internet experience is kind of fuzzy. It currently has Mac OS 8.1 installed on it, though I have read that it will run 9.1, which I also have, and could install for my neighbor. I guess I'm wondering what everyone's opinion is of whether or not this would be a viable option for my neighbor (who is really broke and can't afford even a cheap, used computer), and also what options would be available for getting on the internet, if there is indeed no internal modem and no ethernet port? I did replace the cmos battery twice on this computer, once while on warranty along with the whole motherboard, because that was how the warranty insisted it be done. Hopefully the cmos is still okay and doesn't need replacing again, though it's pretty easy to do on this model. Any and all opinions and answers would be appreciated. Thanks!

Kristy

Posted on May 10, 2011 4:24 PM

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  • by Kappy,

    Kappy Kappy May 10, 2011 4:32 PM in response to Kristy Effinger
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    May 10, 2011 4:32 PM in response to Kristy Effinger

    The computer does not have a modem.  You can purchase an external modem such as a Zoom that runs off a serial port which the computer does have.  However, getting the necessary TCP/IP software, script, etc. to use it on the internet might prove quite difficult.  Apple did not provide such software, but there were third-party utilities.  Now, if you were to install OS 9.1 then the required utilities will be included, if I remember correctly.

  • by Jeff Kelleher,

    Jeff Kelleher Jeff Kelleher May 10, 2011 4:42 PM in response to Kristy Effinger
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    May 10, 2011 4:42 PM in response to Kristy Effinger

    *IF* you can even find an external modem with a serial port connector (that's what it would need) and you could install the max RAM (64MB) and you could find OS 9.1, you could probably get online. Just don;t count on any help from an ISP setting up this modem.  *IF* you can accopmlish that, you'd  still be fighting an obsolete Mac running an obsolete OS running obsolete web browsers. They would choke on a lot of web sites that are designed for modern browsers - and let's not forget that most web sites are designed for high speed connections, not dial-up. Email would probably be fine, as POP and SMTP haven't really changed.

     

    I think it could be done, but it would take a lot of time and effort, and I don't think the outcome would be pleasing in the best case.

  • by Appaloosa mac man,

    Appaloosa mac man Appaloosa mac man May 10, 2011 10:49 PM in response to Kristy Effinger
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    May 10, 2011 10:49 PM in response to Kristy Effinger

    Kristy,

     

    A customer came into the store in 1999, yes, before Y2K, and they were sending email to Germany on a Mac SE or Plus.  I meant to copy the configuration.  It was crazy but worked.  A Power PC will get on the web with OS 8.1 but as others have said, it will not be a satisfying experience. 

     

    Years ago, we were using a G3 and could not set up a Google gmail account because the hardware was too dated.  Our son set up the account on his G5.  Once the account was established, we could access the classic page for gmail.

     

    Our first internet machine was an 030 Mac IIsi with 17 meg of RAM.  Those days are gone.  If your friend was just wanting to visit a bulletin board for messages, non-graphical (no pictures) mail options are available.

     

    As for price and economy, you can buy a very capable G4 that works just fine on the internet for less than we pay per month for the internet.  The cost is not in the equipment.  The cost is in the monthly ISP bill.

     

    Post back with the name of a large city near you and maybe we can find a recycler or user group.  In Spokane, WA, USA, computer recyclers are throwing away G4 towers.  Location, location, location.

     

    Jim~

  • by Jeff,

    Jeff Jeff May 11, 2011 1:05 AM in response to Kristy Effinger
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    May 11, 2011 1:05 AM in response to Kristy Effinger

    The 5320's motherboard matched that used in the (desktop) Performa 6320 and has Apple's "COMM I" slot, which was designed to accommodate their ethernet card or modem card.  If the computer was purchased from a school, it would likely have an ethernet card in the slot.  Otherwise, the internal modem card (if so equipped) would have been a Global Village 14.4 (possibly the 28.8) - which was really intended for the fax capabilities it provided the computer.  I think Apple started including the "Internet Connection Kit" software CD with OS 7.6/7.6.1, and the computers that shipped with that OS version had a 28.8 modem.  If you look at the rear of your 5320, you'll notice a modem port (next to the printer port), which is typically covered by a small plastic disk when an internal modem card is installed.  I used a couple of very good external modems - the US Robotics 56K/x2 and the Global Village 56K v.90 - with more capable Macs than the 53xx/63xx models.  Having a decent external modem on hand is the tip of the iceberg.  Even if you connected to the internet years ago, it was the internet at that time.  As has already been stated, so much has changed since then.  The roadblocks to decent web usage for a 5320:  An incredibly slow 120 MHz 603e processor, the very limited 1 MB of DRAM for display support on the built-in screen, and a lack of really good pre-OS X browsers.  A slightly newer Power Mac, like the 1998-vintage beige G3 series, would be a much better choice.  The last one I bought at a thrift store about 4 years ago only cost $20.

  • by Kristy Effinger,

    Kristy Effinger Kristy Effinger May 11, 2011 11:52 AM in response to Kristy Effinger
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    May 11, 2011 11:52 AM in response to Kristy Effinger

    Thanks to all of you for your advice about my Performa 5320CD. I did go to my Mom's house today and unboxed it, fired it up to see what kind of internet capabilities it has. It does have an internal Telecomm Global Village 14.4 modem, but no ethernet port. All the software is available for getting online, as well as the settings for the ISP I used at the time, so I did remember correctly when I thought that I was getting online with it when I had it. But I took to heart what all of you said about the slowness of that ancient modem, the browser that would have to be used (I had an old version of Netscape Communicator installed), that wouldn't be able to handle a lot of websites that are currently designed for high speed internet use, etc. I talked to my friend, and she currently has a cell phone and doesn't want to get a landline just for a computer. She was looking for a little bit newer computer that would allow ethernet use with either an economy DSL or cable service. So it looks like this computer is out of the question for her. Say, do any of you think that there might be interest out there from a Mac collector to add this old 5320CD to his/her collection? It is still running nice, and gave me quite a walk down memory lane when I fired it up, of the old 8.1 OS. Gosh, that was such a long time ago! Anyway, thanks for your opinions. I think I will also email Mactracker and let them know that some Performa 5320CDs did come with internal modems, so they can correct their database.

    Kristy

  • by Kristy Effinger,

    Kristy Effinger Kristy Effinger May 11, 2011 11:57 AM in response to Appaloosa mac man
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    May 11, 2011 11:57 AM in response to Appaloosa mac man

    Hi Appaloosa Mac Man,

    Hopefully you read my longer reply to all of you, and know that my Performa 5320CD is not going to work out for my neighbor. But I am interested in seeing whether or not you can find any user group or recycler that would have a used G4 that she could have. I live in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area of Minnesota. Thanks for whatever information you can provide for my neighbor.

    Kristy

  • by Appaloosa mac man,

    Appaloosa mac man Appaloosa mac man May 11, 2011 10:52 PM in response to Kristy Effinger
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    May 11, 2011 10:52 PM in response to Kristy Effinger

    Kristy,

     

    I will give it a shot.  University surplus sales are also a nice place to watch.  Washington State University music department got rid of their G4 towers for $30.  I did not need the computers.  I wanted the custom rack mount adapters.  They were worth the money.  Then gave the computers away.  Look at my profile and find my email.  That is a good way to remind me.

     

    Jim~