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  • razzo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi Paul,

     

    Sorry it didn't work for you. I completely understand as I tried every workaround listed from the beginning of this forum through page 27 before I figured this one out. None of the others that worked for other people worked for me. I think this is just even more of an indication that it truly is a bug in the SW.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (41,655 points)

    razzo wrote:

     

    Hi Csound1

     

    A Smart Mailbox is not just a search function as you said, it is actually a "rule" for addressing your messages. It is not searching your inbox or sent box, it is actually telling Mail to send your message to the Smart Mailbox automatically when it sends.

    That is not true, and it is easy to check as well.

     

    Make a new smart mailbox, call it temp or something. Pick a piece of mail, preferably in a mailbox with little content. Make the smart folder criteria match that file. You will find that the original email does not move. The smart folder is a seperate view of the same object. The view is live, so if you delete the piece of mail you can do it in either the real mailbox or the smart mailbox, both methods will delete the mail.

  • razzo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Csound1

     

    If that is the case, then how do you explain that when I use the Smart Mailbox and I search for a piece of Sent Mail from my IMAP account it only finds it in the Smart Mailbox and nowhere else?

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (41,655 points)

    Did you try my test, I'm not going to argue with you, you can believe what you want but I just gave you a simple way of testing for yourself. If you don't want to that's OK by me.

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    In a similar situation, copies of sent email were kept on an external mailserver that I accessed via IMAP.  The hosted mailserver had a 250MB storage limit.  Because at that time I was using this account to send dozens of emails with large attachments, my Sent Mail soon exceeded 250MB (a first for me).  The mailserver refused to send or save this email -- without informing me.  When mail stopped arriving, I knew something was up.

     

    If you use a commercial mailserver, do check to see if there are storage limits and performance consequences. You may not be sending email as well as not saving it.

     

    In my case, the solution was easy:  copy the Sent Email I wanted to keep in an On My Mac folder and then erase most of the rest on the mailserver (leaving a few sent messages as samples for quick referral and replacement if someone new needed a copy).  It took me 10 minutes to whittle down to 20MB in storage and I was back in action.  By remaining aware of and managing my hosted mailserver storage, I no longer have the problem.

  • sanjampet Level 5 Level 5 (7,710 points)

    Csound1,

     

    Has anyone tried going to Home>library>mail>IMAP-youremailaddress@xxxxx,net@imap.mail.yahoo.com (yahoo example)>Sent Messages,imapmbox>messages, and see if the count of ,emlx matches their sent box in the mail pane left sidebar matches.  If there is a descrepancy try rebuilding the sent box? Just a thought as I have not had this issue. Also try going to mail preferences>accounts>mailbox behaviors and uncheck Store sent messages on the server?

    Just a thought that maybe some one who has this problem can try.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (41,655 points)

    It seems to be difficult to get posters to test, hopefully one will but I won't hold my breath.

  • NatureGuy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    OK, I've run a parallel Gmail and Yahoo test.  Both accounts setup in Mail.app with "Store sent messages on the  Server" checked.  Manually sent 10 serialized emails from each account, using Mail.app, alternating between the two accounts.  All 20 emails were actually sent, and received OK in my work account.  For Gmail, all 10 messages were stored in the "Sent\Gmail" folder in Mail.app.  For Yahoo, only 9 of 10 messages were stored in the "Sent\Yahoo" folder in Mail.app.  Furthermore, 2 of the 9 successful Yahoo messages popped up the "Cannot Send Message using the server Yahoo" dialog, both times I clicked "Try With Selected Server", and subsequently were sent OK.

     

    For both accounts, the Sent folder in Mail matched the Sent folder from the web interface.

     

    The conclusion for this limited test is that there are IMAP failures occurring between Mail.app and Yahoo, that are not always handled properly.  Furthermore, these failures do not appear to occur with Gmail.  I'll run this test a few more times to increase confidence in the results.  There appear to be two problems here - one with Yahoo (the failure to copy all sent messages, when done over IMAP via Mail.app), and one with Mail (the inability to always detect the failure).

  • Satome Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Gmail should never have this problem because any time you send through Google's SMTP servers, they automatically put the email in the correct folder.

     

    It's different than a standard implementation of IMAP where your mail client has to do this itself. So it's not so much that it's specific to Yahoo, but rather Gmail is unaffected, and this still happens with other services.

  • razzo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @ Csound1

     

    Yes, I did try your test. I also sent a message, then searched for that message and it could only be found in the Smart Mailbox that I created. The search function only located one instance of the message, not two as you insist. So, your test was conducted and it did not work.

  • NatureGuy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yet another Mail.app/Yahoo/Gmail test.  This time, 20 serialized messages each.  Gmail 20/20 sent & saved ok.  Yahoo 1 sent missing, so 19/20 saved ok.  Unfortunately, a new error cropped up this time.  of the 19 that saved the sent email, 3 were not actually received.   First time I've seen this, stay tuned for more testing.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (41,655 points)

    razzo wrote:

     

    @ Csound1

     

    Yes, I did try your test. I also sent a message, then searched for that message and it could only be found in the Smart Mailbox that I created. The search function only located one instance of the message, not two as you insist. So, your test was conducted and it did not work.

    What are you looking for , these are tests, if you want make it a ******* contest you are just wasting everyones time.

     

    And if you're using Yahoo, tell us now.

     

    What search parameters did you use for the Smart Mailbox (is include messages from Sent checked), are any locations named

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (41,655 points)

    razzo wrote:

     

    @ Csound1

     

    Yes, I did try your test. I also sent a message, then searched for that message and it could only be found in the Smart Mailbox that I created. The search function only located one instance of the message, not two as you insist.

    I said there would be one, not two. You need to read what is written down.

     

    Now read this:

     

    Smart Mailbox

     

    A Smart Mailbox displays in one location messages that are stored in other mailboxes, so you don’t have to move messages between mailboxes. The messages displayed by a Smart Mailbox are based on criteria you define, and are automatically updated to include new messages that match your criteria. For example, you might create a Smart Mailbox that displays all messages found in all mailboxes from a specific sender.

    That's what Apple say, maybe you know better than them as well as me.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (41,655 points)

    NatureGuy wrote:

     

    Yet another Mail.app/Yahoo/Gmail test.  This time, 20 serialized messages each.  Gmail 20/20 sent & saved ok.  Yahoo 1 sent missing, so 19/20 saved ok.  Unfortunately, a new error cropped up this time.  of the 19 that saved the sent email, 3 were not actually received.   First time I've seen this, stay tuned for more testing.

    Just so I am clear here, it is the Yahoo account that suffered failures to save and also had some mails not received, is this correct?

  • razzo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @ Csound1

     

    So, I'll ask the question again ....

     

    If that is what a Smart Mailbox is, then when I search for my test Sent Mail message, why doesn't the search locate it in both the Smart Mailbox and the "other" mailbox? On my system, it only locates it in the Smart Mailbox. If it is truly located somewhere else and the Smart Mailbox is only a handy second location display of the Sent Message, then why can't my system find that original message?

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