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  • fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,120 points)

    I don't understand you abbreviations.  have seen many crash reports posted in the  Pages forum that have some of the report in another colour and that did help to solve the posting persons problem.

  • fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,120 points)

    Tuttle, I have never posted as far asI can remember a crash report, nor do I think those I have read have been posted within code tags.

  • rccharles Level 5 Level 5 (6,140 points)

    Ronda Wilson wrote:

     

    Maybe I'm missing something, but can't you do that with TextEdit?

    You would need to change the font to a non-proprtional font.  Textwrangler is designed to work with things like logs & programs.

     

    TextWrangler

    Picture 5.png

     

    TextEdit


    Picture 3.png

     

     

    Now, which is easier to read &looks prettier.

     

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    I'm suggesting only a workaround.  Would be nice if you could change the width of the forum posts.  You might be able to implement a dragable control in javascript.  That would be cool. You  should be able to have a global preference to set your default width for display.

     

    As a quick hack, the poster or Apple could reduce the font size of code postings to be of a smaller size as the above image shows.

     

    Interval Since Last Report:          444678 sec
    
    Crashes Since Last Report:           56
    
    Per-App Interval Since Last Report:  102 sec
    
    Per-App Crashes Since Last Report:   2
    
    Anonymous UUID:                      88DDA109-E390-4120-B295-826E171C7370
    

     

    Here is the code I tried.  Didn't always work.  Seems to in the post advanced editor.

     

    <pre class="jive_text_macro jive_macro_code" jivemacro="code" ___default_attr="plain"><span style="font-size: 8pt;"><p style="font-size: 8pt;">Interval Since Last Report:          444678 sec</p><p> </p><p>Crashes Since Last Report:           56</p><p> </p><p>Per-App Interval Since Last Report:  102 sec</p><p> </p><p>Per-App Crashes Since Last Report:   2</p><p> </p><p>Anonymous UUID:                      88DDA109-E390-4120-B295-826E171C7370</p></span></pre>

     

    Message was edited by: rccharles

  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (15,120 points)

    Tuttle wrote:

    It did if you posted them within {code} tags.

    But how many users ever did that, or pre-formatted crash logs with any color markups?

     

    Don't get me wrong. I hate the new format's poor use of horizontal space & the silly cartoon balloons. But the old format had its share of problems with logs as well.

  • Tuttle Level 7 Level 7 (29,365 points)

    You said it wasn't possible to do before. I merely pointed out that it was, and still is, to a point.

     

    Who or how many people use(d) that or any feature is a different, perhaps more philosophical discussion, which I don't want to spend my time on (though I might have been prone to doing that five or six or seven years ago).

     

    I do think that the OP's question has merit, and that practical suggestions for workarounds are useful. Only sorry there aren't more on-topic posts in this thread....

     

     

     

  • romad Level 3 Level 3 (590 points)

    No, I only have the LD.

  • Ronda Wilson Level 8 Level 8 (40,995 points)

    AFAIK = as far as I know

     

    AD = Apple Discussions

  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (15,120 points)

    Tuttle wrote:

    I do think that the OP's question has merit, and that practical suggestions for workarounds are useful. Only sorry there aren't more on-topic posts in this thread….

    I think discussing practical workarounds -- or better yet, some built-in feature -- is a great idea. But I also think discussing the limitations of the old format & how some users did (or did not) manage to work around them is a useful part of the discussion.

     

    What makes it difficult is not knowing what Jive SBS will support, or how easy it would be to implement whatever it does. I make absolutely no claims about knowing much about Jive SBS, but from what I have read in the documentation I think it might at least be possible to add some templates that used more of the horizontal space in browser windows. But I don't know if that could be made a default or 'sticky' user choice -- so far, the only built-in things like that are for home pages -- or how something like that could or should be implemented to support both conventional computers & mobile devices.

  • Tuttle Level 7 Level 7 (29,365 points)

    This is a highly customized version of the software, so don't know to what extent the online Jive documentation applies to this site.

     

    In the past, Jive sent employees to work full-time with/for Apple to develop the version used here. I would imagine that's still the case, but have no direct knowledge about that one way or the other.

  • rccharles Level 5 Level 5 (6,140 points)

    You can insert your own pre tag.  It isn't an easy option.

     

    Interval Since Last Report:          444678 sec Crashes Since Last Report:           56 Per-App Interval Since Last Report:  102 sec Per-App Crashes Since Last Report:   2 Anonymous UUID:                      88DDA109-E390-4120-B295-826E171C7370

     

    <pre style="font-family: Monaco, 'Courier New', Courier, monospace; font-size: 8px; font-weight: normal; margin: 0px; padding: 5px; border: 1px solid #000000; width: 480px; color: #000000; background-color: #ffee80; overflow: auto;"><p>Interval Since Last Report:          444678 sec

     

    Crashes Since Last Report:           56

     

    Per-App Interval Since Last Report:  102 sec

     

    Per-App Crashes Since Last Report:   2

     

    Anonymous UUID:                      88DDA109-E390-4120-B295-826E171C7370</p></pre>

     

    Could modify an applescript I have to generate this code. Let me know if anyone is interested.

     

    Robert

  • Tuttle Level 7 Level 7 (29,365 points)

    It arn't easy.

     

    No, it arn't.

     

    Time would be better spent knitting oneself a nice pair of socks than cutting and pasting 600-800 lines from a crash log inside 1200-1600 <p> or <br/> tags, one line at a time, IMO.

  • rccharles Level 5 Level 5 (6,140 points)

    No, it arn't.

     

    That's why I wrote an applescript for this.  It's online.

    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-2296

     

    mods:

    1. change to the pre format.

        property simpleFormatting : false -- when true use tt tag to enclose; when false use pre tab to enclose

    2. Adjust the width of the output

        property TheWidth : "width: 480px; " -- a width attribute

    3. Adjust the font size.  This is nearly to the end of the file in the variable SomeText

        font-size: 8px;

     

    You will need to insert the data in html mode. 

     

    To do manually, you need to copy the header & trailer -- see my post above. Paste you log between the header & trailer. There is no need to mess with the log date.

     

    Robert

  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6 (8,745 points)

    Pancenter wrote:

     

    1. Why is it when I'm reading Q & A in a forum (Logic Pro to be specific) and wish to add to a discussion, my Sign On takes me out of the forum to a generic Apple information page? This takes extra mouse clicks and is discouraging for those trying to be of help. "Sign on" should put you back right where you were.

     

    2. The whole Community/Forum is 50% (at minimum) slower than it used to be.

     

    3. It's now impossible to read posted crash logs.

     

    Take a look for yourself.

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/15232930#15232930

     

     

    To answer questions at least regarding Pro Apps we need to be able to read crash logs, we could before why not now?

     

    4. Previously, the forum would save drafts of the post being written, nice feature... can it be incorporated?

     

    Oh boy... we can add smiley's, now how about some added functionality. The old forum was easier to navigate an looked more professional.

     

    pancenter-


    O.P. here, replying to myself:

     

    Looks like they may have addressed #1. Sign On placed me back in the Forum I was reading instead of taking me to the generic Apple welcome page.

     

     

    Regarding #3.

     

    In Pro Apps crash logs are a mainstay in system analysis, it's difficult enough to get new users to find and post their crash logs much less format them first... however, the replies and suggestions are helpful... thanks!!

    Even though the old forum software wasn't perfect displaying crash logs it's 10 times better than these cutie-pie balloons and their wasted space.

     

    I see it like this... most everyone here is posting & being helpful on their own time.. while this gives us all a warm fuzzy feeling it also saves APPLE a ton of money regarding tech support. The very least they should do is make these forums efficient and user friendly. The use of screen space is gluttonous.

     

    Also, the forums are much slower, painfully so using any number of hand-held smart-phones, tablets...etc.

     

    pancenter-

  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6 (8,745 points)

    R C-R wrote:

     

    Pancenter wrote:

    It most often means empty meaningless talk, or when said about a musician it means the same thing about the way they play. In 40 years of playing professionally I've never heard it used to compliment someone.

    But had you been playing in the swing era many years before that, you might well have heard it used as a complement, especially among black American jazz musicians describing someone's mastery of what was once the hottest trend in popular big band music.

     

     

    Sorry... no!  I have played swing music & be-bop and I've worked with a couple of renown names of the idiom. It never described anyone's mastery of a hot trend.

     

    Also, the word's origin predates that style of jazz, as I previously posted.

     

    "Origin: 1920s (originally U.S. denoting meaningless or misleading speech)"

     

    pancenter-

  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6 (15,120 points)

    Pancenter wrote:

    Sorry... no!  I have played swing music & be-bop and I've worked with a couple of renown names of the idiom. It never described anyone's mastery of a hot trend.

    Ever heard of the New Cab Calloway's Hepsters Dictionary: Language of Jive? A "hep cat" was someone who understood jive. If you were "icky" you did not.

     

    A lot of the language of jive has passed into common use, like "in the groove" or "hip."

    "Origin: 1920s (originally U.S. denoting meaningless or misleading speech)"

    It also says "of unknown origin." Had the researchers been African-Americans living in Harlem, NY in the 1920's, they might have known a lot more about its origins, or why it was intentionally meant to seem meaningless to (please pardon the offensive term) ofays.