iMac works at 44.1kHz not 48

I am running a DAT machine directly into my 2010 iMac through a coaxial to optical convertor. I have a signal when I play a 44.1 DAT and set audio midi to 44.1 and preferrences to internal input. They both automatically see that it is a digital signal and I can see the audio coming in on the audio monitor directly from the Mac and my software. When I keep everything the same, put in a 48k tape, switch the audio midi and software to 48k, there is no signal. The DAT does say it is output at 48k. I've been going in circles all day with this. Any help would be SO apprecitated.

iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.3)

Posted on May 23, 2011 4:53 PM

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May 23, 2011 5:26 PM in response to Julia12341234

Hi,


The only problem I see in your setup relates to how you have the "sync" set up.


When syncing to an external digital device, the clock source should be set to "External".


Even though you are getting signal input at 44.1 it may be because the clocks are very close and they lock or it may be the Mac's audio clock is native to 44.1.


When syncing to digital devices there can only be one digital clock master, in this case it has to be the DAT, so..give it a try with the Audio/MIDI Setup set to External Clock.


If this doesn't work are you sure the coaxial -> optical convetor supports 48k


pancenter-

May 23, 2011 6:02 PM in response to Pancenter

Thank you. I checked the convertor and it just says coaxial digital to optical with no specs on which sample rate it supports. I should have said that I have the preffered Mac INPUT set to internal, not clock. When I go to audio Midi, the box where you select which clock source, is greyed out. In my software, I did select Internal input, which I believe would be the DAT? (There is no listing for DAT)

May 23, 2011 6:43 PM in response to Julia12341234

Ok,


I have an older G5 tower with an optical input so what I see may be different.


Go to Audio/MIDI setup under Audio.


On the left side default input should say built-in audio (at least that's what I have.

Underneath that you should have properties for built-in audio.


Further below that it should say..


Audio Input:

Source:


What do you have listed under the Source... I have "Line-In and Digital-In"

You may have Digital In or Optical In?


Let's get that far.


pancenter-

May 23, 2011 6:55 PM in response to Pancenter

My Audio Midi set-up does have the Built-in listed at the side but offers no properties. In my preferrences, where I choose my device for sound input, it lists Line-in and then type "Audio line-on port", which changed automatically to say "digital" when it saw my DAT with the 44.1k signal. (the built in input is a combo analog/optical input) I can't see anywhere with source though.

May 23, 2011 7:11 PM in response to Julia12341234

Ahhh... ok, sorry, our systems are indeed very different, the iMac you have is setup to auto sync to an incoming digital signal. Not sure why 48k is not recognized.


You might try unplugging the digital input, start the DAT playing at 48k then plugging the digital input back in, this might force a switch. Also, if you're using a plain old coaxial audio cable try a different one.


Another way might be to open an audio editor and switch the internal sample rate to 48k, then plug the DAT in with a 48k tape playing.


In Audio/MIDI set the internal sample rate to 48k, (think you've done that).


Playing a DVD will also cause the internal sample rate to switch.


Hopefully it's not a limitation of the convertor, doesn't seem like it should be.


pancenter-


p.s. is the convertor bi-directional.. in this case you only want to have the DAT OUT to the Mac IN.

May 23, 2011 7:23 PM in response to Pancenter

I tried to plug in while it was running 48k just now and it didn't work. I did have trouble with the 44.1k signal not working consitently with an old very thin cable so I found what appears to be a high quality, very thick with gold ends cable and then the 44.1k worked great all the time. Could it make a bigger difference with a higher sample rate perhaps? I'm not sure how to tell it's officially the real deal coaxial, I just assumed since it works with 44.1 it should work with 48.

May 24, 2011 11:39 AM in response to Julia12341234

The same situation with the other Mac, 44.1k works fine, not 48k. I called the maker of the converter and there are no specs but it is supposed to work with all digital including DVD, which I think is a higher rate than 48k? The guy was not very familiar with digital audio though. Unless there is another thing I'm supposed to set in the iMac other than audio midi and input preference? This is so strange.

May 24, 2011 12:04 PM in response to Julia12341234

The only other settings related to "Sound" are in "System Preferences" but I don't think you'll find anything there.


Is the tape recorded at 48k a commercial tape or could it be encoded with a digital copy protection scheme.

Does the DAT machine have a SCMS switch?


Of course, you can always go analog.

Your other option is a USB or Firewire audio card that has a digital input



pancenter-

May 25, 2011 6:59 AM in response to Pancenter

The tapes are my own recordings of my own music and I don't see a switch. None of the other discussions were quite the same problem but it is a reminder to check those cables. I had the computer loose the 44.1k signal just now, which it hadn't done before with this particual cable. I think my last ditch effort here is to purchase a brand new Digital coaxial cable, try it, and if that doesn't work, just go analog :-(. The audio card is a good idea though when I consider the hours I'll spend transferring. Thanks again.

Jun 2, 2011 4:55 PM in response to Julia12341234

I've gotten it to "work" on and off with 48K with a high end coaxial cable. When it does see the signal, it has popcorn static in it. 44.1 is fine with the new cable. This problem is in either software program and direct in and out of the Mac with no other software involved. . I exchanged the converter for a new replalcement, same problem. THe only thing not replaced is the optical cable, which is brand new and has a steady red light through it. Could the Mac input be faulty at 48 but not 44.1?

Jun 2, 2011 5:34 PM in response to Julia12341234

Julia12341234 wrote:


I've gotten it to "work" on and off with 48K with a high end coaxial cable. When it does see the signal, it has popcorn static in it. 44.1 is fine with the new cable. This problem is in either software program and direct in and out of the Mac with no other software involved. . I exchanged the converter for a new replalcement, same problem. THe only thing not replaced is the optical cable, which is brand new and has a steady red light through it. Could the Mac input be faulty at 48 but not 44.1?

The popcorn static is a symptom of poor digital sync...


It's possible the Mac's hardware is simply not good enough to sync at the higher sample rate while at the same time have no problems playing back 48k audio or even higher sample rates. Both iMacs and Laptops pack a lot of circuitry into a small physical space, the (electronic) noise level from all the minature circuitry affects audio input and output. The noise floor of the analog inputs is very poor, sometimes as bad as -50 to -60db.


So, it's possible the digital input can't get a clean enough signal at the higher rates... or, it could be the s/pdif converter. Difficult to say.


Are both the iMac and the DAT plugged into the same power outlet, it helps keep down ground loop noise if every thing is running off the same power strip.


pancenter-

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